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Postby mart85 » May 31st, '07, 00:50

no problem, and here's the full article in case you wanna read it, it's quite interesting :happy:


August 11, 2002

BY BRIAN MCCOLLUM
FREE PRESS POP MUSIC CRITIC

Jeff and Mark Bass have been party to some of Eminem's most notable work. Among their best-known productions is "Kim," a dark, booming track in which the rapper spins a gruesome horror tale about killing his unfaithful wife. Released in 2000, it became one of the most controversial songs of Marshall Mathers' career, a track that Jeff Bass describes as "the most intense thing we ever worked on with him." It also provides a telling look into the trio's working process.

"That song wasn't even necessarily written for him," recalls Jeff. Long before Eminem had lyrics, it started as a drum track, played by Mark on a kit at Detroit's White Room Studio and edited into a big, banging rhythm loop. Jeff added a haunting piano line, a few "tripped-out reverse cellos" and bass guitar.

"It was still lacking something," Jeff says. "So we added big rock guitars to go with those big rock drums. At that point, we had the core groove. But we still needed a chorus."

That's when Jeff tucked in a section of morose violin played on a synth. Now they had a complete "clap" track -- Bass Brothers lingo for a classical-rap fusion.

Eminem wrote and recorded his part in a single session at the brothers' studio in Burbank, Calif. "He sat there with the headphones on and wrote it," Jeff says, "then cut his vocals standing by the mixing board." Unlike many vocalists -- who like a little reverb in their headphones -- Eminem records his raps dry. It's a simple setup: a single microphone and preamp.


Eminem is also the master of his own sound effects. During the "Kim" session, he dashed outside and returned with an armful of leaves, which he dumped on the studio floor. If you listen to the song at about the 4:20 mark, you'll hear what sounds like someone fleeing outdoors. It's not an overdub; Eminem ran his feet through the leaves while delivering the vocal. As with all his songs, the myriad background voices on "Kim" were recorded as he went -- he wouldn't proceed to the next verse until they were tacked on.

When Eminem's verses were finished, they moved on to the chorus, and initially discussed hiring Ozzy Osbourne or Marilyn Manson to sing the foreboding lines ("Sooo long/Bitch, you did me so wrong"). But ultimately it became "the first song where Marshall chose to sing," says Mark. "We said, 'Well, you can rap. But you can't really sing.' "

Undaunted, Eminem stepped up to the microphone and laid down the lines. Unlike some of his later singing efforts, which would be digitally tweaked to correct pitch problems, the "Kim" chorus went onto the album as is.

Recorded last was the song's deceptive introduction, in which Eminem sweetly coos to his young daughter before abruptly lurching into his spousal tirade. He wanted a very specific sound, but didn't know how to describe it. "What are those baby things?" he asked Jeff in frustration. "You know, those baby things!" Jeff finally got it: "You mean a mobile?" Jeff played some chiming tones on his keyboard, and the song was complete.
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Postby 4D » May 31st, '07, 10:53

mart85 wrote:no problem, and here's the full article in case you wanna read it, it's quite interesting :happy:


August 11, 2002

BY BRIAN MCCOLLUM
FREE PRESS POP MUSIC CRITIC

Jeff and Mark Bass have been party to some of Eminem's most notable work. Among their best-known productions is "Kim," a dark, booming track in which the rapper spins a gruesome horror tale about killing his unfaithful wife. Released in 2000, it became one of the most controversial songs of Marshall Mathers' career, a track that Jeff Bass describes as "the most intense thing we ever worked on with him." It also provides a telling look into the trio's working process.

"That song wasn't even necessarily written for him," recalls Jeff. Long before Eminem had lyrics, it started as a drum track, played by Mark on a kit at Detroit's White Room Studio and edited into a big, banging rhythm loop. Jeff added a haunting piano line, a few "tripped-out reverse cellos" and bass guitar.

"It was still lacking something," Jeff says. "So we added big rock guitars to go with those big rock drums. At that point, we had the core groove. But we still needed a chorus."

That's when Jeff tucked in a section of morose violin played on a synth. Now they had a complete "clap" track -- Bass Brothers lingo for a classical-rap fusion.

Eminem wrote and recorded his part in a single session at the brothers' studio in Burbank, Calif. "He sat there with the headphones on and wrote it," Jeff says, "then cut his vocals standing by the mixing board." Unlike many vocalists -- who like a little reverb in their headphones -- Eminem records his raps dry. It's a simple setup: a single microphone and preamp.


Eminem is also the master of his own sound effects. During the "Kim" session, he dashed outside and returned with an armful of leaves, which he dumped on the studio floor. If you listen to the song at about the 4:20 mark, you'll hear what sounds like someone fleeing outdoors. It's not an overdub; Eminem ran his feet through the leaves while delivering the vocal. As with all his songs, the myriad background voices on "Kim" were recorded as he went -- he wouldn't proceed to the next verse until they were tacked on.

When Eminem's verses were finished, they moved on to the chorus, and initially discussed hiring Ozzy Osbourne or Marilyn Manson to sing the foreboding lines ("Sooo long/Bitch, you did me so wrong"). But ultimately it became "the first song where Marshall chose to sing," says Mark. "We said, 'Well, you can rap. But you can't really sing.' "

Undaunted, Eminem stepped up to the microphone and laid down the lines. Unlike some of his later singing efforts, which would be digitally tweaked to correct pitch problems, the "Kim" chorus went onto the album as is.

Recorded last was the song's deceptive introduction, in which Eminem sweetly coos to his young daughter before abruptly lurching into his spousal tirade. He wanted a very specific sound, but didn't know how to describe it. "What are those baby things?" he asked Jeff in frustration. "You know, those baby things!" Jeff finally got it: "You mean a mobile?" Jeff played some chiming tones on his keyboard, and the song was complete.



Great read man, thanks for postin that, it's still one of my favourite Eminem songs. In terms of creativity he was at his peak on MMLP (Stan & Kim Especially).
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Re: Eminem "Too Over-The-Top" for Marilyn Manson

Postby RoleModel » Jun 2nd, '07, 12:40

Lol as already said this is stupid that it's made even biggish news considering that would of been like 7 years ago.

Fuck Manson anyway, the guys a freak and Kim's a masterpiece of emotion, atmosphere, depth, voice acting and true daring creativity. I'm glad Manson didn't collab and fuck up Em's track with his grainy voice, guy needs to get back in his cell.
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Postby DrRapid » Jun 2nd, '07, 14:35

SemiShady wrote:
walend wrote:don't they have a song togheter?

The way i am - Remix


yes.

Good song


didn't he sing it in Barcelona and maybe other cities when doing the chainsaw thingy tour?
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Re: Eminem "Too Over-The-Top" for Marilyn Manson

Postby beardhomestead » Jun 4th, '07, 21:40

Lol, it's too over the top for manson lol, fuck yeah, comming from a dude who got his stage name from a serial killer and a model into one name lol. (and a freak to boot) Hell, EM obviously respects him to some degree. I forget which song, but he said "I'm a mix between manson, esham, and ozzy"
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Re: Eminem "Too Over-The-Top" for Marilyn Manson

Postby d124ever » Jun 5th, '07, 04:23

Manson says tht em asked him to sing on ems first record. so it gota be 97 bonnie n clyde if manson is talkin bout the right record?
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well eminems first album was infinite, 97 bonnie and clyde was on his second album The Slim Shady LP
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Re: Eminem "Too Over-The-Top" for Marilyn Manson

Postby d124ever » Jun 5th, '07, 04:26

I forget which song, but he said "I'm a mix between manson, esham, and ozzy"


that song is called still dont give a fuck
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Re: Eminem "Too Over-The-Top" for Marilyn Manson

Postby beardhomestead » Jun 5th, '07, 21:09

d124ever wrote:
I forget which song, but he said "I'm a mix between manson, esham, and ozzy"


that song is called still dont give a fuck


Damn, thats one of my favorite songs too, suprised I forgot, thx man
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Re: Eminem "Too Over-The-Top" for Marilyn Manson

Postby d124ever » Jun 7th, '07, 04:38

haha no problem man, yeah thats one of my favorite song to
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Re: Eminem "Too Over-The-Top" for Marilyn Manson

Postby zoobtro » Jun 15th, '07, 22:42

Just wanted to add that I used to be a pretty big manson fan back in 97-98 and I used to have a video interview done the day after manson had apprantly laid vocals for Kim. Manson apologised during the interview for his voice being shot because the day before he'd recorded vocals for an eminem song which he described as being really twisted/fucked up.
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