NBA 2012-13

[Eedee]

Bashing Lebron is just stupid. He is an amazing player and he plays for his team. Totally different player than Kobe. And Kobe didn`t won his titles just by himself.

Nobody does.

[Spyder]

Lebron is having a better season of course.

But Kobe will have the better career once theyre both gone.
Phil Jackson coaching? I could coach Kobe and Shaq in their prime to a title LOL

[Eedee]

Lebron is having a better season of course.

But Kobe will have the better career once theyre both gone.
Phil Jackson coaching? I could coach Kobe and Shaq in their prime to a title LOL

I hate it when people use that argument.

Kobe had Shaq wahwahwah... Shaq had Kobe.

LeBron has Bosh and Wade.

Everyone needs help to win a ring. It's not exclusive to Kobe.

[PAINKILLƎR]

I agree with you, PAINKILLER was just saying that LeBron has help as if Kobe didn't. Anyone would've won 3 titles with Shaq in his prime, the guy was UNSTOPPABLE. He was averaging about 28 points a game on FG% of 57, 13 rebounds, and 3 blocks. Hell, if Shaq would've gone to Cleveland instead of Miami, LeBron would've won his first title (and possibly more) a long time ago.

Shaq was the better player on that Lakers team, and anyone who denies it is just delusional.

As far as the Cleveland argument, that guy was practically all alone in Cleveland and STILL took the team to the playoffs every year and had them finishing with one of the best records in the league. When he left, the team became the worst in the league. That shows you how bad the players he had around him really were.

And just in case you give me the MJ argument, he had a team and the greatest coach of all time. Let's not forget that Michael Jordan left the Bulls to play baseball, and they STILL made the playoffs, they didn't win a championship, but they were good enough to make the playoffs. Pretty much the same situation with the Bulls right now that Derrick Rose is out. They still have one of the best records in the East and will make the playoffs with or without Rose.

And let's face it, Miami was a good team before LeBron but they weren't great. We've missed the playoffs with Wade being on the team and have gotten bounced in the first round.


Look at us now, without LeBron, we suck, and I can admit it. The few games he's missed since joining the Heat have been disasters. Hell, when he's on the bench during games, we start blowing leads. He's the clear leader of this team and the best player on it.


EDIT: I didn't quote Painkiller, so it sounds like I'm going off on you Eedee, but I'm not.

Pretty much almost every household basketball legend has had a Robin if you will. MJ had Pippin, Magic had Kareem, etc. Lebron has Wade and Bosh, two ball players that can easy be a leader of their own team(as they were before) and they still have found it hard to win.

I'm not denying that Lebron is playing spectacular, because he is. But most of that has to be credited by his supporting cast. He probably has the best supporting cast in the league aside the Clippers. Not only that but this season the Heat has been struggling with good teams this season, they can't even hold up with some of the teams in the east.

That being said, I don't see them winning the title this year. I think they can even struggle with the Pacers, as they have already earlier this season. Miami plays small, with speed. Pacers have an idea match-up with big young players that they have, not to mention they have David West, Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and Danny Granger. Great line-up and they are only getting better their defense is perfect to stop the Heat. Not only that but there is no way they can beat the Spurs.

[Fleka]

He got Cleveland into final. Fucking Cleveland. It looks to me that you are just hating on Lebron. he is an amazing player. He plays the way that is best for his team. He can score 40 points one game, and just clear the way for Wade the next. He is the youngest player ever to score 20 000 points, even Wade said he could have do it sooner, but he submitted himself to the team.

[PAINKILLƎR]

So I hate Lebron because I hold only one player in higher regards than him? ...ok

[Emadyville]

Lemme settle this.

MJ best basketball player ever.

Lebron will end up in the argument with him forever, but MJ will always win

[Fleka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTkN2q6sUUk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjpMACGLY9E

Clippers are just so nasty.

[PAINKILLƎR]

I agree with you, PAINKILLER was just saying that LeBron has help as if Kobe didn't. Anyone would've won 3 titles with Shaq in his prime, the guy was UNSTOPPABLE. He was averaging about 28 points a game on FG% of 57, 13 rebounds, and 3 blocks. Hell, if Shaq would've gone to Cleveland instead of Miami, LeBron would've won his first title (and possibly more) a long time ago.

Shaq was the better player on that Lakers team, and anyone who denies it is just delusional.

As far as the Cleveland argument, that guy was practically all alone in Cleveland and STILL took the team to the playoffs every year and had them finishing with one of the best records in the league. When he left, the team became the worst in the league. That shows you how bad the players he had around him really were.

And just in case you give me the MJ argument, he had a team and the greatest coach of all time. Let's not forget that Michael Jordan left the Bulls to play baseball, and they STILL made the playoffs, they didn't win a championship, but they were good enough to make the playoffs. Pretty much the same situation with the Bulls right now that Derrick Rose is out. They still have one of the best records in the East and will make the playoffs with or without Rose.

And let's face it, Miami was a good team before LeBron but they weren't great. We've missed the playoffs with Wade being on the team and have gotten bounced in the first round.


Look at us now, without LeBron, we suck, and I can admit it. The few games he's missed since joining the Heat have been disasters. Hell, when he's on the bench during games, we start blowing leads. He's the clear leader of this team and the best player on it.


EDIT: I didn't quote Painkiller, so it sounds like I'm going off on you Eedee, but I'm not.

Pretty much almost every household basketball legend has had a Robin if you will. MJ had Pippin, Magic had Kareem, etc. Lebron has Wade and Bosh, two ball players that can easy be a leader of their own team(as they were before) and they still have found it hard to win.

I'm not denying that Lebron is playing spectacular, because he is. But most of that has to be credited by his supporting cast. He probably has the best supporting cast in the league aside the Clippers. Not only that but this season the Heat has been struggling with good teams this season, they can't even hold up with some of the teams in the east.

That being said, I don't see them winning the title this year. I think they can even struggle with the Pacers, as they have already earlier this season. Miami plays small, with speed. Pacers have an idea match-up with big young players that they have, not to mention they have David West, Roy Hibbert, Paul George, and Danny Granger. Great line-up and they are only getting better their defense is perfect to stop the Heat. Not only that but there is no way they can beat the Spurs.

They struggled earlier in the season. Struggling to win? Umm....


Have you been keeping up with the NBA at all? The Miami Heat are on an 18 game winning streak, a streak in which they have beat some of the best teams in the league....including the Thunder, Clippers, Knicks, Grizzlies, Bulls, and Pacers.

The Spurs can beat Miami in a best of 7 series in the Finals? The retirement home squad that couldn't keep up with the Thunder? The same team with an injured Tony Parker?

If you don't see them winning the title this year, you are delusional.

Wow you are so fucking annoying, listen closely you fucking chimp because I'm not explaining myself again. I said they struggled with good teams above .500% earlier in the season, are you just skimming through what I'm saying? Should I type the significant shit in caps for you?

Here's my argument on why I BELIEVE the Heat won't beat the Spurs in a 7 game series, now don't get your panties in a bunch like you have earlier. just because my opinion displeases doesn't give you the right to take it out on me ok? lol Now to business, The Heat play speed, smaller players, they have no true center and they always get out rebounded, like ALWAYS. The Spurs have big's that can play strong D and can easily out rebound. Although they do need Parker to beat them, and he will be back sooner or later. Parker changes the play of game and can easy turn up the speed for the Spurs and open up the court. Now as for your ridiculous retirement squad statement, really amusing... except their record says other wise, Gregg Popovich has been watching the players minutes and managing them well. That statement you said is a typical idiotic response for anyone who doesn't have a solid argument.

This Spurs argument goes the same for the Pacers who have size as well. I expect you to counter with another shit argument so unless you really talk basketball don't expect me to respond.

[PAINKILLƎR]

Nice try, but no.

You said they've struggled with good teams this season. you did not specify earlier this season.

Since when does getting outrebounded equate to losing? Have you not seen what the Heat have been doing lately? Even with getting outrebounded? Their system obviously works.

Popovich does do a great job at managing his older players minutes during the regular season, but the playoffs is different than the regular season, when the competition gets heated up and your best players need to step it up and play big boy minutes.

In a 7 game series against the Spurs, Miami would tire out that team with their speed and athleticism. The fact is that Miami plays great in the regular season, but they are even better in the playoffs. The Spurs might have the bigs to out rebound Miami and play tough interior D, but we've seen how well Miami counters that in recent games against some of the "bigger" and better defensive teams in the league like the Grizzlies, Bulls, and Pacers. It's size vs. speed and Miami has proven time and time again that they are too fast and athletic for even the biggest and best defensive teams in the league.

Truth is the Spurs won't make it to the Finals because they won't be able to keep up with teams like the Thunder.

The Miami Heat are in a league of their own at the moment. They are the clear title favorites and anyone who doesn't have their money on them winning it all, hasn't been paying attention to the historical season this team is having.

Btw, my arguments have been basketball. I've restrained from childish name calling and senseless bashing, unlike you. So how about you cut down on the immature name calling and we can really have a decent basketball discussion....faggot (I had to, just once

Jesus... looks like you can talk basketball after all. It's a first with you but it'll do.

First, I never said they lost a lot earlier in the season, I just said they struggled against some of the teams that were actually good. They seem to have fixed that now though and they are started to click and looking really dangerous.

As for the Spurs, they need Tony Parker. I know that rebounding is pivotal part of the game, you may not agree but it's true. Back to Parker, they have smaller athletic players that I believe can keep up with the Heat but the need Tony in there to run that kind of offence.

[PAINKILLƎR]

I've been talking basketball this whole time.

Not really, it seemed like shit people would say when they don't have a valid argument. But you've fixed that.

I don't know man, The Spurs haven't looked all that great in the playoffs these last couple of post-seasons. The West is just too competitive with young talent right now. I can see either the Clippers or the Thunder representing the West in the Finals, the Spurs will continue being a dominant regular season team, but their years of post-season supremacy is long gone.

I honestly was thinking about the Clippers too because they're a great team but in a 7-game series against the Heat? Clippers don't stand a chance tbh I don't think they have bigs good enough. I'm still sticking with the Spurs really. We'll see soon though.

[PAINKILLƎR]

Yeah the West is always tough, and now my Lakers are back in the playoff picture making matters even more interesting.

[Emadyville]

Yea, Kobe has been beasting, he will make sure the team doesn't miss the playoffs.

i just hope they make a run in the playoffs

[Eedee]

Yea, Kobe has been beasting, he will make sure the team doesn't miss the playoffs.

i just hope they make a run in the playoffs

If the Lakers make the Playoffs, you know we're going far. We're finally meshing together as a team and Dwight is getting healthy, Pau will be back, Nash is finding his place, Kobe is beasting and the bench is lighting it up.

[Emadyville]

Im more skeptical than that tbh, if they really really pick it up and get hot like the heat before playoffs ill buy in