So what?
1) My "hate" towards Jews aint "sudden", its only that u just found out.
2) What makes you think that 30.000 went and 30.000 will come back? The defender is always in an advantage.
3) What makes YOU think that even as a soldier you'll be trained enough to battle a fanatic?
The Hizzbollah - Israel war .. take a look
by Coccoa » Aug 9th, '06, 19:39
Now thats funny. And of course you know they aint gonna surrender. You can keep on the "omg we demolish em" and "we kill kill kill" shit, you practically sound like Gayme with that. "Omg we are the fucking Jews we run this shit" lol. I am just waiting for the tide to turn....so i told you, you can kill em but you cant defeat em, it's simple as that. They got NOTHING to lose, they will fight till last man standing for what they want and what they want is freedom. In fact, YOU made them "terrorists". That's why they aint got pity on you, thats why they fight against you with passion and strength.
You on the other hand all you got a grimey miserable hate for the surrounding nations, feeling that everyone should be either dead or slave to your heroic nation. Nigga when heroes lived and died, jews and hiding in some corner, sniffing and crying, waiting for the massacre to end, so they could loot from the loser. Now you wanna tell us that you hard and you ll win over Lebanon, well...they aint big target anyways. NONE OF YOU HAD THE BALLS TO RAISE A GUN AGAINST THE NAZIS THO!!!!
Now you are to the Palestine what Nazis was for you. Keep it up "freedom fighter"
You on the other hand all you got a grimey miserable hate for the surrounding nations, feeling that everyone should be either dead or slave to your heroic nation. Nigga when heroes lived and died, jews and hiding in some corner, sniffing and crying, waiting for the massacre to end, so they could loot from the loser. Now you wanna tell us that you hard and you ll win over Lebanon, well...they aint big target anyways. NONE OF YOU HAD THE BALLS TO RAISE A GUN AGAINST THE NAZIS THO!!!!
Now you are to the Palestine what Nazis was for you. Keep it up "freedom fighter"
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by AspirinE » Aug 9th, '06, 20:15
McMaybe wrote:Coccoa wrote:Triple lmao aight aight you a badass ranger my bad. I rest my case anyways, you Jews too gangsta for lebanon. Lmao.
lol, when did i say were bad ass, huh asswhole, come on show me the page, internet gangsta?, im sorry harlem, you are to wet in every conversation, im not a gangsta, or a thug, or a killer, iv never shot nobody, and dont intend to anytime soon, your just to stpid to understand what i just said their triple your triple lmao
Why yall fighting bout point of views man, i mean we all got our point of views. First yall call upon extermination of people then u talk bout how some view is rediculous..
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by AspirinE » Aug 9th, '06, 22:24
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...839280,00.html
Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong
The assault on Lebanon was premeditated - the soldiers' capture simply provided the excuse. It was also unnecessary
George Monbiot
Tuesday August 8, 2006
The Guardian
Whatever we think of Israel's assault on Lebanon, all of us seem to agree about one fact: that it was a response, however disproportionate, to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah. I repeated this "fact" in my last column, when I wrote that "Hizbullah fired the first shots". This being so, the Israeli government's supporters ask peaceniks like me, what would you have done? It's an important question. But its premise, I have now discovered, is flawed.
Since Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon in May 2000, there have been hundreds of violations of the "blue line" between the two countries. The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) reports that Israeli aircraft crossed the line "on an almost daily basis" between 2001 and 2003, and "persistently" until 2006. These incursions "caused great concern to the civilian population, particularly low-altitude flights that break the sound barrier over populated areas". On some occasions, Hizbullah tried to shoot them down with anti-aircraft guns.
In October 2000, the Israel Defence Forces shot at unarmed Palestinian demonstrators on the border, killing three and wounding 20. In response, Hizbullah crossed the line and kidnapped three Israeli soldiers. On several occasions, Hizbullah fired missiles and mortar rounds at IDF positions, and the IDF responded with heavy artillery and sometimes aerial bombardment. Incidents like this killed three Israelis and three Lebanese in 2003; one Israeli soldier and two Hizbullah fighters in 2005; and two Lebanese people and three Israeli soldiers in February 2006. Rockets were fired from Lebanon into Israel several times in 2004, 2005 and 2006, on some occasions by Hizbullah. But, the UN records, "none of the incidents resulted in a military escalation".
On May 26 this year, two officials of Islamic Jihad - Nidal and Mahmoud Majzoub - were killed by a car bomb in the Lebanese city of Sidon. This was widely assumed in Lebanon and Israel to be the work of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency. In June, a man named Mahmoud Rafeh confessed to the killings and admitted that he had been working for Mossad since 1994. Militants in southern Lebanon responded, on the day of the bombing, by launching eight rockets into Israel. One soldier was lightly wounded. There was a major bust-up on the border, during which one member of Hizbullah was killed and several wounded, and one Israeli soldier wounded. But while the border region "remained tense and volatile", Unifil says it was "generally quiet" until July 12.
There has been a heated debate on the internet about whether the two Israeli soldiers kidnapped by Hizbullah that day were captured in Israel or in Lebanon, but it now seems pretty clear that they were seized in Israel. This is what the UN says, and even Hizbullah seems to have forgotten that they were supposed to have been found sneaking around the outskirts of the Lebanese village of Aita al-Shaab. Now it simply states that "the Islamic resistance captured two Israeli soldiers at the border with occupied Palestine". Three other Israeli soldiers were killed by the militants. There is also some dispute about when, on July 12, Hizbullah first fired its rockets; but Unifil makes it clear that the firing took place at the same time as the raid - 9am. Its purpose seems to have been to create a diversion. No one was hit.
But there is no serious debate about why the two soldiers were captured: Hizbullah was seeking to exchange them for the 15 prisoners of war taken by the Israelis during the occupation of Lebanon and (in breach of article 118 of the third Geneva convention) never released. It seems clear that if Israel had handed over the prisoners, it would - without the spillage of any more blood - have retrieved its men and reduced the likelihood of further kidnappings. But the Israeli government refused to negotiate. Instead - well, we all know what happened instead. Almost 1,000 Lebanese and 33 Israeli civilians have been killed so far, and a million Lebanese displaced from their homes.
On July 12, in other words, Hizbullah fired the first shots. But that act of aggression was simply one instance in a long sequence of small incursions and attacks over the past six years by both sides. So why was the Israeli response so different from all that preceded it? The answer is that it was not a reaction to the events of that day. The assault had been planned for months.
The San Francisco Chronicle reports that "more than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to US and other diplomats, journalists and thinktanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail". The attack, he said, would last for three weeks. It would begin with bombing and culminate in a ground invasion. Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University, told the paper that "of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared ... By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board".
A "senior Israeli official" told the Washington Post that the raid by Hizbullah provided Israel with a "unique moment" for wiping out the organisation. The New Statesman's editor, John Kampfner, says he was told by more than one official source that the US government knew in advance of Israel's intention to take military action in Lebanon. The Bush administration told the British government.
Israel's assault, then, was premeditated: it was simply waiting for an appropriate excuse. It was also unnecessary. It is true that Hizbullah had been building up munitions close to the border, as its current rocket attacks show. But so had Israel. Just as Israel could assert that it was seeking to deter incursions by Hizbullah, Hizbullah could claim - also with justification - that it was trying to deter incursions by Israel. The Lebanese army is certainly incapable of doing so. Yes, Hizbullah should have been pulled back from the Israeli border by the Lebanese government and disarmed. Yes, the raid and the rocket attack on July 12 were unjustified, stupid and provocative, like just about everything that has taken place around the border for the past six years. But the suggestion that Hizbullah could launch an invasion of Israel or that it constitutes an existential threat to the state is preposterous. Since the occupation ended, all its acts of war have been minor ones, and nearly all of them reactive.
So it is not hard to answer the question of what we would have done. First, stop recruiting enemies, by withdrawing from the occupied territories in Palestine and Syria. Second, stop provoking the armed groups in Lebanon with violations of the blue line - in particular the persistent flights across the border. Third, release the prisoners of war who remain unlawfully incarcerated in Israel. Fourth, continue to defend the border, while maintaining the diplomatic pressure on Lebanon to disarm Hizbullah (as anyone can see, this would be much more feasible if the occupations were to end). Here then is my challenge to the supporters of the Israeli government: do you dare to contend that this programme would have caused more death and destruction than the current adventure has done?
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just wanted to post some food for thought, i found this article today. Id be glad to hear both sides of the sotry on this though.
The funny thing is that the jewish people tell a different story that is somewhat similar ...
lets filter facts.
Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong
The assault on Lebanon was premeditated - the soldiers' capture simply provided the excuse. It was also unnecessary
George Monbiot
Tuesday August 8, 2006
The Guardian
Whatever we think of Israel's assault on Lebanon, all of us seem to agree about one fact: that it was a response, however disproportionate, to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah. I repeated this "fact" in my last column, when I wrote that "Hizbullah fired the first shots". This being so, the Israeli government's supporters ask peaceniks like me, what would you have done? It's an important question. But its premise, I have now discovered, is flawed.
Since Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon in May 2000, there have been hundreds of violations of the "blue line" between the two countries. The United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (Unifil) reports that Israeli aircraft crossed the line "on an almost daily basis" between 2001 and 2003, and "persistently" until 2006. These incursions "caused great concern to the civilian population, particularly low-altitude flights that break the sound barrier over populated areas". On some occasions, Hizbullah tried to shoot them down with anti-aircraft guns.
In October 2000, the Israel Defence Forces shot at unarmed Palestinian demonstrators on the border, killing three and wounding 20. In response, Hizbullah crossed the line and kidnapped three Israeli soldiers. On several occasions, Hizbullah fired missiles and mortar rounds at IDF positions, and the IDF responded with heavy artillery and sometimes aerial bombardment. Incidents like this killed three Israelis and three Lebanese in 2003; one Israeli soldier and two Hizbullah fighters in 2005; and two Lebanese people and three Israeli soldiers in February 2006. Rockets were fired from Lebanon into Israel several times in 2004, 2005 and 2006, on some occasions by Hizbullah. But, the UN records, "none of the incidents resulted in a military escalation".
On May 26 this year, two officials of Islamic Jihad - Nidal and Mahmoud Majzoub - were killed by a car bomb in the Lebanese city of Sidon. This was widely assumed in Lebanon and Israel to be the work of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency. In June, a man named Mahmoud Rafeh confessed to the killings and admitted that he had been working for Mossad since 1994. Militants in southern Lebanon responded, on the day of the bombing, by launching eight rockets into Israel. One soldier was lightly wounded. There was a major bust-up on the border, during which one member of Hizbullah was killed and several wounded, and one Israeli soldier wounded. But while the border region "remained tense and volatile", Unifil says it was "generally quiet" until July 12.
There has been a heated debate on the internet about whether the two Israeli soldiers kidnapped by Hizbullah that day were captured in Israel or in Lebanon, but it now seems pretty clear that they were seized in Israel. This is what the UN says, and even Hizbullah seems to have forgotten that they were supposed to have been found sneaking around the outskirts of the Lebanese village of Aita al-Shaab. Now it simply states that "the Islamic resistance captured two Israeli soldiers at the border with occupied Palestine". Three other Israeli soldiers were killed by the militants. There is also some dispute about when, on July 12, Hizbullah first fired its rockets; but Unifil makes it clear that the firing took place at the same time as the raid - 9am. Its purpose seems to have been to create a diversion. No one was hit.
But there is no serious debate about why the two soldiers were captured: Hizbullah was seeking to exchange them for the 15 prisoners of war taken by the Israelis during the occupation of Lebanon and (in breach of article 118 of the third Geneva convention) never released. It seems clear that if Israel had handed over the prisoners, it would - without the spillage of any more blood - have retrieved its men and reduced the likelihood of further kidnappings. But the Israeli government refused to negotiate. Instead - well, we all know what happened instead. Almost 1,000 Lebanese and 33 Israeli civilians have been killed so far, and a million Lebanese displaced from their homes.
On July 12, in other words, Hizbullah fired the first shots. But that act of aggression was simply one instance in a long sequence of small incursions and attacks over the past six years by both sides. So why was the Israeli response so different from all that preceded it? The answer is that it was not a reaction to the events of that day. The assault had been planned for months.
The San Francisco Chronicle reports that "more than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to US and other diplomats, journalists and thinktanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail". The attack, he said, would last for three weeks. It would begin with bombing and culminate in a ground invasion. Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University, told the paper that "of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared ... By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board".
A "senior Israeli official" told the Washington Post that the raid by Hizbullah provided Israel with a "unique moment" for wiping out the organisation. The New Statesman's editor, John Kampfner, says he was told by more than one official source that the US government knew in advance of Israel's intention to take military action in Lebanon. The Bush administration told the British government.
Israel's assault, then, was premeditated: it was simply waiting for an appropriate excuse. It was also unnecessary. It is true that Hizbullah had been building up munitions close to the border, as its current rocket attacks show. But so had Israel. Just as Israel could assert that it was seeking to deter incursions by Hizbullah, Hizbullah could claim - also with justification - that it was trying to deter incursions by Israel. The Lebanese army is certainly incapable of doing so. Yes, Hizbullah should have been pulled back from the Israeli border by the Lebanese government and disarmed. Yes, the raid and the rocket attack on July 12 were unjustified, stupid and provocative, like just about everything that has taken place around the border for the past six years. But the suggestion that Hizbullah could launch an invasion of Israel or that it constitutes an existential threat to the state is preposterous. Since the occupation ended, all its acts of war have been minor ones, and nearly all of them reactive.
So it is not hard to answer the question of what we would have done. First, stop recruiting enemies, by withdrawing from the occupied territories in Palestine and Syria. Second, stop provoking the armed groups in Lebanon with violations of the blue line - in particular the persistent flights across the border. Third, release the prisoners of war who remain unlawfully incarcerated in Israel. Fourth, continue to defend the border, while maintaining the diplomatic pressure on Lebanon to disarm Hizbullah (as anyone can see, this would be much more feasible if the occupations were to end). Here then is my challenge to the supporters of the Israeli government: do you dare to contend that this programme would have caused more death and destruction than the current adventure has done?
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just wanted to post some food for thought, i found this article today. Id be glad to hear both sides of the sotry on this though.
The funny thing is that the jewish people tell a different story that is somewhat similar ...
lets filter facts.
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by AspirinE » Aug 9th, '06, 22:38
Coccoa wrote:You idiot Aspirine? You just put more oil in the fire. We gon have Maybe bitch about for the next 25 pages.
Well i trust both u and maybe can be sensible people, no matter how onesided ones point of view is.
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by Hocky27 » Aug 10th, '06, 06:37
This argument is now bullshit as MCMaybe is obvioulsy a devoute Jew and bases his arguments on the shitty old bible. Generally idiots who are heavily religious arent even worth arguing with on such matters.
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by misa » Aug 10th, '06, 11:01
McMaybe wrote:ok, if you want to talk religion, the word history stands for HIS-STORY, meaning gods story, in the bible it says that in the whole world he created, the one place he loves the most is jerusalem, and the muslims took over it before he had a chanse to give it to the chosen people, now were not chosen, nothing is special about the jews, DO you know why were called that, cause were the chosen people for israel, are you gonna argue with god people?, are you gonna argue with the bible, read it?, and misa, i know it hurts, cause you religion was leftovers after god was done giving us his preshious lands, and by the way, do you know why over 10,000 muslim convert to judiesm, its called jealousy, LMAO you guys are fuckin lame, it doesnt matter what a bunch of kids think, its all written in the bible, im jewish and i read it, do yourself a favour, dont argue with the bible, cause the saved place you have is in hell, since yiou are going against gods words, whats allah gonna do, go ahead follow him, DO you know that israel just sent 30,000 soldiers into lebanon, and we have 25,000 more ready with tanks, and the airforce is already done with preperatuions, you guys are dead, YOU DONT FUCK AROUND WITH THE BIBLE MISA, now your people will learn the true maning of death, hahahahaaa, this will be a great war, seeing all those worthless terror supporting people dead
lmao are u retarded or sth ? , how can u talk abt wut is written in the bible as if it was historic evidence or sth !! !! lolz i dun believe in ur bible , just like u dun believe in my religion , it would be so freakin easy to me to write wut god has to say abt the whole thing from the quran but i wont , it is stupid , cause to u n to the other nonmoslims reading , it is nonsense that means nothin to them m just like wut ur bible means is to me , nothin . i wont argue with ur bible , it is worthless i just dun believe in it n that is it .lmao on goin aginst god's words , this is rlly gettin funny , n btw idiot allah means god in arabic so if i follow allah iam following god , lolz i donnu wit that has to do with anythin
n u read some fuckin news , it is in the damn papers , the israeli army is havin one of its biggest faliures , in the israeli newspapers , israel is losing the battle , hezboallah is winning , read wut the soldiers say abt it lolz my so called *people * believe me wont stop , dont stop untill freedom , we have had it for years , from since Eroupe devided the middle east for themselves , we went on for years n had our freedom , it is the same , * ur ppl * always loose when they underestimate the others , just keep ur bla bla goin
it is starting to actually be amuzing(( alive enough -- to enD it mySelf ))
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