Guns

[classthe_king]

>Cigarettes are only hurting yourself, not somebody else
>Actually, second hand smoke also kills more people than fire arms

Just wanted to move us along that part of the argument

[Spyder]

cigs hurt more, kill more, all around pointless

[UofLCard]

Obviously the most strictest laws in the world won't stop bad people from obtaining guns, but I think stronger enforcements will help. It's simply become way to easy to kill people these days.

I hear/read the phrase "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" almost every time gun control is brought up, but guns were made to kill.

But I think making them illegal will go a way to changing the gun culture.

I think that would only happen if the second amendment in the Bill of Rights was changed, and there would be an absolute shitstorm if that happened here. I could really see someone attempting to assassinate Obama if that were to happen.

[Spyder]

Obviously the most strictest laws in the world won't stop bad people from obtaining guns, but I think stronger enforcements will help. It's simply become way to easy to kill people these days.

I hear/read the phrase "Huns don't kill people, people kill people" almost every time gun control is brought up, but guns were [url]made[/url] to kill.

But I think making them illegal will go a way to changing the gun culture.

I think that would only happen if the second amendment in the Bill of Rights was changed, and there would be an absolute shitstorm if that happened here. I could really see someone attempting to assassinate Obama if that were to happen.

yes, too many gun owners and believers in the constitution, though we have laws that directly conflict with the constitution anyways.
and that phrase is both correct and incorrect. obviously a gun laying there causes no harm and it is the person who fires it. but you right a gun was a war invention for the sole purpose of killing or wounding.
but for self defense and hunting purposes alone is reason enough to keep laws the way they are.

amending them so that their are regulations as cheese and abram said, not allowing a normal sale of semi-automatic weapons, having limited guns, and making it more difficult to obtain a license or registration for them would make sense.
but again may get into hot water with the constitution

[Trimss]

Guess I shouldn't ever talk about the .45 I carry in my car. It means I'm fat. That's just too much for me to handle.

Lol

That was sarcasm smh.

As was I. Why do you think I said it was too much for me to handle..then lol.

Lmao sorry then. Thought you didn't understand my sarcasm, because I didn't want to look like a total and cliche anti America jerk.

[Neiro]

just wanted to say in my state, missouri, you can shoot people if they walk on your property but if you don't kill them, you have to pay for their medical bills...... I live in a backwards state

[Alex2012]

I hate guns, i wonder how people can be so in love with them.

or everybody has a gun or nobody, but tbh americans stayed in that Jesse James
and Billy The Kid era, you should grow up a bit.

I still love americans though

[Minimii]

Telling americans that their gun laws are stupid is like telling taliban that quran is just bunch of lies.
In US freedom is that you are allowed to own a gun.
Isnt it strange how in USA homicides committed with a firearm are like 20x more common than in the rest of the western world. I dont remember the exact numbers tho and im too tired to google.

[SliK]

Telling americans that their gun laws are stupid is like telling taliban that quran is just bunch of lies.
In US freedom is that you are allowed to own a gun.
Isnt it strange how in USA homicides committed with a firearm are like 20x more common than in the rest of the western world. I dont remember the exact numbers tho and im too tired to google.

That's pretty much summed up in the OP.. Do you think all these deaths result from the fact that their laws are so lax or do you think there are deeper issues causing this crazy gun culture?

[AbramIsaac]

The laws are the result of the gun culture, not the other way around.

The fairly lax laws do enable it to grow, but they wouldn't be like that if it weren't for the crazy dedication the country already has to having weapons. Not most people, I should say. The stat of 90 guns per 100 people sounds like we're all toting, but really, most people that own a gun own more than one. Some own 3 or 4.

The deep seated paranoia of the American people is what pushes the culture forward though, without a doubt. It's something to cling to for security, like religion. The only difference is, if Jesus himself were to walk up on my yard without permission, I'd shoot that little jew bastard right between the eyes and buy him in the back yard. Turn the other cheek, my ass.

For the hardest of the hardcore though, it all goes back to the idea of actual uprisings and civil resistance to tyranny. Gun nuts are always just waiting for the chance to steep themselves in a violent revolution...cleanse the boredom by washing it in the blood of thine enemies. Fuck around man, the whole country is bat shit insane.

[SliK]

Correct me if I am wrong but your second amendment law which enables you to bear arms comes from your consitutution, of which the first ten amendaments are copied from your bill of rights? Those laws stretch back hundreds of years and are not a result of your gun culture at all.

Unless you are referring to the gun culture 200+ years ago in which case I'd argue it has changed a lot over those years but your laws have not.

edit: lol at your sig

[classthe_king]

Correct me if I am wrong but your second amendment law which enables you to bear arms comes from your consitutution, of which the first ten amendaments are copied from your bill of rights? Those laws stretch back hundreds of years and are not a result of your gun culture at all.

Unless you are referring to the gun culture 200+ years ago in which case I'd argue it has changed a lot over those years but your laws have not.

edit: lol at your sig

What's changed about it? They wanted to have guns so that they could protect themselves and not have to rely on the government. (After Britain they weren't too trusting of governments). It's still the exact same...

[SliK]

Well it's not, because you have people who want guns to shoot up schools, malls and movie theatres. Guns are seen as "cool" these days. It might be kind of corny to quote eminem here but the lines "See what these kids do, is hear about us totin' pistols And they want to get one, 'cus they think the ****'s cool Not knowin' we're really just protectin' ourselves" really speak volumes. Guns and gun violence is seen as cool and there is this growing realisation that killing to get what you want is a viable option and that is completely different to self protection.

[classthe_king]

Thats just gang kids, who are probably getting their guns illegally anyway. The majority of gun owners do it for self protection I guarantee it.

[SliK]

But it isn't the people who buy guns for protection that are shooting up malls and shit. The more common gun violence becomes, the more obvious it is that the gun culture is changing. Even if it is simply due to more low socio-economic areas and what not... but something has to be done.