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is war preventable?

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Postby AspirinE » May 11th, '06, 15:45

Wen one profits from land, war is inevitable.

Getting rid of privatization will eliminate need for war.
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Postby AspirinE » May 11th, '06, 15:53

Angie wrote:okay do u belive there will ever be "wold peace" in the war sence?


i dont think so...



Its because people like u "dont think so" that it will never happen.

The only attempts to fight selfish burgosie nature, were depicted as evil. World peace is possible, people are just to stupid at the moment.
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Postby yoshi » May 11th, '06, 18:32

Yes, I think it can be preventable, cause it's all depends on us. We just need to understand that war isn't the best solution of international problems and take a second to think about people we vote for to be our representatives, who make decisions..

It would be also good if people could get rid of thinkin only about profits and themselves and start to see the fact that we all live on one Earth, we all are equal and we need to get along with eachother.. :confusion: Sounds naive but real in my opinion..
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Postby $0 R3@L » May 11th, '06, 18:58

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war is about greed and getting your way.Getting rid of nuclear warheads will stop many wars from occuring but in gettin rid of em also causes alot.
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Postby yoshi » May 11th, '06, 19:06

^ But it's not only bout nuclear warheads. It's also about civil wars, religious wars like jihad.. Getting rid of nuclear weapon could be helpful, but I don't believe they would really stop researches.. -__-
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Postby AspirinE » May 11th, '06, 19:14

$0 R3@L wrote:never

War is about greed and getting your way. Getting rid of nuclear warheads will stop many wars from occuring but in gettin rid of em also causes alot.



But wars have origins wich can be controlled, im not saying itll be peace as in people will agree on everything, but war as in military action is direct result of land being sold and profited from.

In the early times land was capture and discovered for first time, and with time as more and more land was discovered war transfromed into diplomacy(at least became more diplomatic). I bet if someone told the people in the early thousands that they could live without war for 100 years theyd prolly laugh.
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Postby Curious » May 11th, '06, 19:23

of course war is preventable, otherwise there'd have been many more wars in the course of history - wars have been prevented through diplomacy n sheer common sense. But if ur asking whether it's likely to get rid of war altogether then no, i don't think it's likely, there'll always be ppl who want to exploit power n resources or who think that their way of thinking is the only sensible one - it's human nature... :(
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Postby AspirinE » May 11th, '06, 19:40

Another thing that leads me to believe that a country can avoid war. If education is taken seriously and as objective, not compulsory the statistical knowledge gained by a country will let us assume that the population will simply be less willing to go to war, because a smart person would know how to win without placing him in a dangerous situation.
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Postby $0 R3@L » May 11th, '06, 21:19

would limiting and equaling the amount of armed forces each country can have stop/prevent war???
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Postby AspirinE » May 11th, '06, 21:36

$0 R3@L wrote:would limiting and equaling the amount of armed forces each country can have stop/prevent war???


No, but changing moral standarts will, and stoping war for land would be a big step, coz the rest could be concidered as crime.


Im a realist, i perfectly understand by wat u mean that its our nature, and we as evolved beings have already mastered the art of fucking with nature, so i really have hopes that we ldo the same with preventing war.


War can be outruled as a criminal act, sort of like theft. But before we can have the law of SUCH high priority we would have to get rid of religion and idolism.
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Postby AspirinE » May 11th, '06, 23:52

Angie wrote:
AspirinE wrote:
Angie wrote:okay do u belive there will ever be "wold peace" in the war sence?


i dont think so...



Its because people like u "dont think so" that it will never happen.

The only attempts to fight selfish burgosie nature, were depicted as evil. World peace is possible, people are just to stupid at the moment.


people like me :zipped: it might sound negative but its real prove me wrong.. as Curious and I said its human nature u cant change that....


How do u know if its human nature?


Im not talking bout despute and fighting, and competitiveness.

Im talking bout "war", when countries invest money into war to earn money and resources.


The key to establishing a perfect diplomatic world is aranging resource alocation and countries working as a union rather than competitors. If one country is rich on oil it will provide oil and the country will have suffient funding from this resource, another country being a technologicla provider(like japan) could earn from wat they do best. Provided that these countries work for 1 and only central goverment there will be a less likely possibility for a war in which an objective is to obtain a certain resource.


Im basicly saying that under this type of chaotic goverment arangement we have in place it is YET impossible to lve life without war, the solution liys with an inovation in govement cooperation.


The european Union is a great example of such union, only it is a simpler version wich still needs a lot of work. htey still whoring some of the less fortunate countries but only coz of inevitable need. A one union world might be the answer to this.
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Postby ek_iz_backk » May 12th, '06, 00:55

countries are fighting for oil and to show off their power, look at the U.S.A(oil) and north korea(power), iran(power), and this country is a different story britain(up U.S.A's Ass) :D
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Postby AspirinE » May 12th, '06, 01:10

ek_iz_backk wrote:countries are fighting for oil and to show off their power, look at the U.S.A(oil) and north korea(power), iran(power), and this country is a different story britain(up U.S.A's Ass) :D



Korea isnt fighting they are self sufficient, the worlds just cant take it that they cant place their mcdonalds their to drain money from their country.
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Postby A Chicago Thing » May 12th, '06, 03:43

AspirinE wrote:How do u know if its human nature?


Im not talking bout despute and fighting, and competitiveness.

Im talking bout "war", when countries invest money into war to earn money and resources.



I would argue fighting/competitiveness and war are exactly the same thing. I believe it is human nature to be better than the person next you. survival - nothing more human than that. anyway instead of going in circles, lets just agree religion is the sum of all evils and without it, war drops by atleast 50%.
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Postby BlaqReaper » May 12th, '06, 05:24

I don't think war can be prevented. The main thing is on how you define war. If it's dispute over land, then it can be stopped, if it's dispute over religion, I also believe someday it can be stopped.

BUT I don't think the idea of people taking up arms and killing each other will. I think the will to be better than others and the whole "survival of the fittest" is in the human nature (as with all animals). If someone disagrees with you and threatens you're existence, it should be in your nature to get rid of them.

Perhaps someday everyone will be reilgiously tolerant and no longer seek more land, but then some nation/person will come up with another completely stupid reason to start wars. I mean see how the reasons for war has changed over the times (territorial expansion, communism v. capitalism, ethnic superiority, war on terrorism, etc.)

On a lighter note, I completely hate wars and I think they should not exist. And if they do, it should be fought with moral standards that were exhibited during the old times (samurai/medieval ages" when the only casualties were the warriors and none of the civilians).
Or perhaps in the future, instead of sending people to fight, machines can be sent or automated tanks/planes so there will be no casualties (but that's wishful sci-fi thinking :D ).
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