Em's worst verse pre '03

[MikeNUFC]

I never know why people never understand this lyric.

"Hates to be bothered" - His father couldn't be bothered with him, that's why he left Em as a kid. I always thought it was obvious.

EDIT: I think why this verse is good is not becuase it has an amazing rhyme technique or becuase it has loads of multies, but becuase it is passionate and it is decent lyrically. You can't judge all verses on how clever they are.

His father COULDN'T be bothered with him. That's a different meaning that not wanting someone to bother you.

And yet it's not different enough to make it clever wordplay.

You still don't get it ? His father hated the fact he was botheredthat Em was around. That's why he left. It's not rocket science.

[AliJack]

Rush Ya Clique is dope...

i fuckin hate my fault though. and cum on everybody.

[EminemInsider]

more idiocy.

why is it a great verse? because he manages to criticize the media & American culture all while highlighting upper-class prejudice & questioning parental responsibility, all in the ONE verse. it's satirical, it's sharp, & it's all delivered in this thunderously angry way, perhaps the most passionate & heartfelt he's ever been. the flow is flawless; the screams are flawless.

Are you serious? LMAO.

"and questioning parental responsibility." Yeah, he said "WHERE WERE THE PARENTS AT?" And how original, too. Because NOBODY had ever debated whether it was the parents or the musicians that were responsible before Eminem did.

All it is is a generic rant that is poorly written. I could make the same argument for fucking Like Toy Soldiers being a GREAT song:

"He managezzz to highlight the differencez in older and contemporary music, while accepting blame for his own mistakez and predicting what might happen if the violence doezn't cease, not to mention attempting to be da catalyst for a movement toward peace in da rap industry to save ppl's livez!!111"

But Like Toy Soldiers is whack...even you admit that.


Or Mockingbird:

"He discusses his wife's drug addiction, his own strugglez with new-found fame, while discussing in detail about hiz life before fame and showing hiz daughter that he rememberz where he came from and knowz that he izn't perfect!!111"

But Mockingbird is obviously awful...even you admit that.

The subject matter itself has nothing to do with how good something is.

He can touch on 10 trillion different subject matters...wouldn't make it good.

structurally, he manages to rhyme in triplets nearly the entire way, emphasizing the last syllable & even @ the end he lands every rhyme on the base drum which is just precision.

You're a fucking idiot of EPIC proportions. He does NOT "rhyme triplets" the entire way in the second verse. The few multis he does have aligned awkwardly...so much so that even a semi-astute rap listener would have NO IDEA they are there without further review.

The only 3-syllable multis in the verse are "Marilyn/heroin," "tragedy/sad to see/class city," "happenin'/ttack-Emin," "rap-this-way/glad-cuz-they," and "fire to burn/I have returned." All of them at the end...and only the very last one sounds anywhere near decent in terms of flow.

Those are NOT emphasized at the last syllable, idiot. You know absolutely nothing about lyricism, which is your main problem.

His flow on the entire song is generic and weak. The fact that you think mirroring the drums is impressive shows just what a dunce you really are. That's the same thing he did on Like Toy Soldiers. Mirroring the drums is for novices.

the rhyming is also quite complex. but it's halfwits like you who think multis are the be all & end all of a verse (even though this verse is full of impressive multis). you probably think songs like "Infinite" are actually good, lmao.

How is the rhyming complex, idiot?

No, Infinite isn't good because half of it doesn't make any sense ("my lamination of narroration"). Try again, though.

& he pauses for dramatic effect too you fucking dipshit, it's not to force rhymes. hurrrr.

No, he's pausing to force the lyrics to go with the beat. He didn't pause in Sing for the Moment. He didn't pause in Rock Bottom. He didn't pause in Lose Yourself.

Gee, I wonder why THAT is...

Couldn't be because he carefully crafted those songs, as opposed to writing shit angrily on an airplane....

"Sometimes I feel like my father: I hate to be bothered with all of this nonsense." he's insinuating he wants to just quit & leave because he can't be bothered, like his father did to him. how is this hard to understand?

His father was bothered by nonsense? What nonsense was that? The nonsense of having a son?

[EminemInsider]

I never know why people never understand this lyric.

"Hates to be bothered" - His father couldn't be bothered with him, that's why he left Em as a kid. I always thought it was obvious.

EDIT: I think why this verse is good is not becuase it has an amazing rhyme technique or becuase it has loads of multies, but becuase it is passionate and it is decent lyrically. You can't judge all verses on how clever they are.

His father COULDN'T be bothered with him. That's a different meaning that not wanting someone to bother you.

And yet it's not different enough to make it clever wordplay.

You still don't get it ? His father hated the fact he was botheredthat Em was around. That's why he left. It's not rocket science.

No, actually it's YOU who doesn't get it.

That interpretation was the very first thing I thought when I first heard the track...and then it hit me that it was lame.

His son didn't "bother" him...he "couldn't be bothered" to raise his son.

Eminem's line reads, without the pause,

"Sometimes I just feel like my father, I hate to be bothered with all of this nonsense, it's constant."

His father hated to be bothered by constant nonsense? What constant nonsense was that?

[MikeNUFC]

You still don't get it ? His father hated the fact he was botheredthat Em was around. That's why he left. It's not rocket science.

No, actually it's YOU who doesn't get it.

That interpretation was the very first thing I thought when I first heard the track...and then it hit me that it was lame.

His son didn't "bother" him...he "couldn't be bothered" to raise his son.

Eminem's line reads, without the pause,

"Sometimes I just feel like my father, I hate to be bothered with all of this nonsense, it's constant."

His father hated to be bothered by constant nonsense? What constant nonsense was that?

The nonsense of having a kid. It's saying that his father didn't care about him that much that he felt that something as important as raising a kid was nonsense - it was showing his hatred towards his father and how he doesnt get how his father could not be bothered with him.

[AliJack]

you win teh internetz

[MikeNUFC]

I hope you two can keep this up. Makes for fascinating reading.

[EminemInsider]

hahah. yes, only when you are sarcastic are you finally correct. no, nobody had done it in such a "satirical, sharp" way with all the things i already said about his delivery. especially when Columbine had happened a mere year prior, so what eminem was saying was not only fully relevant, it was responding to a very NEW tragedy.

as if the songs you mentioned have any groundbreaking, original topics either (no other artist has ever touched on hitting rock bottom, or losing yourself in the music, lmao). their originality isn't what makes it impressive, numbskull.

Oh, so now you finally understand. What the song is about has nothing to do with whether a song is GOOD or not.

Therefore, arguing that Eminem addressing some things YOU think are important is an idiotic argument for trying to make the claim that a verse is "good."

Rock Bottom was great because of the lyrics themselves, not because "he touched on being depressed/poor."

do you not understand why The Marshall Mathers LP was a cultural milestone, dumb fuck? because it addressed these topical issues in a clever way. he was more relevant than he ever was @ that time.

Um, no.

The reason Eminem was "more relevant than he ever was" at that time is he courted controversy with his lyrics. Couple that with the fact that he was already a popular white rapper, and you had a big story.

If he'd done an entire album without setting people off it wouldn't have been any bigger than SSLP.

He addressed similar issues in much better fashion on "White America"...didn't see that taking the nation by storm. Oh wait...I didn't exactly see The Way I Am taking the nation by storm, either.

That was Stan, wasn't it? And I'd say Stan was just a little bit more clever than The Way I Am in terms of "addressing topical issues," where he narrates a vivid tale and SHOWS US, rather than SCREAMING it at us.

But I digress.

"Middle America, NOW it's a tragedy, NOW it's so sad to see.." little things like this make it sarcastic & biting. i'm sorry you're too much of a confused idiot to see that it IS hard to cover & explore these topics when you're literally screaming @ the top of your lungs & using that rapid-fire flow as a platform. it is hard to challenge the status quo in an engaging way when you're doing all these things. sorry confused idiot.

What the hell is BITING about that, you fucking dolt?

And what the hell does him "screaming at the top of his lungs" have to do with the lyrics?

Oh, that's right--nothing. Nothing at all.

Eminem "screamed at the top of his lungs using a rapid fire flow" on his lame Drop the World verse, too. He did the same thing on No Apologies. Doesn't make those strong verses.

Sorry, but I thought when we were discussing bad verses in this thread, we were focusing on his lyrics.

except in songs like this & Mockingbird he doesn't have an interesting or delivery or way of conveying the message. he's not sharp @ all. the message is not made potent by sarcasm or irony. he stumbles over half-baked rhymes, whereas The Way I Am has great rhyming all the way through. get it, dunce?

Again, his delivery has nothing to do with whether or not the verses themselves are good.

You don't even seem to grasp what "sarcasm" or "irony" are, which is really pathetic.

The only thing "ironic" about The Way I Am is the fact that he's ranting against being portrayed as a pop star in the 3rd verse and yet his video was extremely popular on MTV.

Criminal had MUCH more biting sarcasm than The Way I Am, AND it was far better in terms of lyrical structure.

The Way I Am has WEAK rhyming all the way through. What part of this do you not understand, dipshit?


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How many paint chips did you eat as a baby? Round to the nearest thousand.

You said that he "rhymed triplets" and was emphasizing the last syllable in doing so. I pointed out that's false. Now you changed it to "RAPPING in triplets" and emphasizing the last syllable. Well gee...now there's a real talent...rapping 3 syllables at a time and stressing the last one for 5 minutes.

You seem to think that doing the same thing the entire song, that being mirroring the beat, and not varying your delivery at all is more skilled than actually switching it up. I guess I missed the memo that it's opposite day?

i still find it hilarious that you think The Way I Am, which shits on 95% of all his music, is bad.

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I still find it hilarious that you think The Way I Am, which is worse lyrically than 90% of his music, is one of his best songs ever.

[EminemInsider]

The Way I Am, which is worse lyrically than 90% of his music

it's official. you are the dumbest poster on TRShady. congratulations.

as for the rest of your post, "The delivery of a verse/content of a verse has nothing to do with how good it is." This is nearly as moronic as the first quote. Nearly.

if the delivery doesn't matter, why bother listening to it? read the lyric booklet you stupid cock. & the content doesn't matter @ all. as long as he has a complex rhyme scheme while he rhymes about the Teletubbies then that's ok. fucking TWIT

you get progressively more stupid & embarrassing with every post in this thread.

The delivery of the verse is NOT the verse itself, idiot. You can have a great verse that you rapped terribly...or at least in a lackluster fashion (see Fabolous).

How you fail to grasp this simple concept is beyond me. You're the only one in this thread who did, which puts you in an elite class of imbeciles.

And yes, Eminem could rap about what he had for lunch yesterday, and if it were well-written, it would be better than a cheesy personal song like "Mockingbird." You don't determine what is "good" and "bad" in terms of skillful execution by whether or not YOU find the subject interesting...or like or agree with what he's saying.

It's as idiotic as the feminist groups denying the brilliance of songs such as "97 Bonnie and Clyde" and "Kim" on the grounds that "writing songz about killing ur wife and dumping her body iz not a talent!!!111"

Your argument about the second verse of The Way I Am hinges on the subject matter he's touching on, because anyone who understands lyricism knows it's not good.

Problem is, the things he's saying in that verse are not witty or impressive. He just repeated what everybody else said...in Ebonics ("where were the parents at?").

[Satire]

I hope you two can keep this up. Makes for fascinating reading.

really? it's just a bunch of "you dumbass!" insults over & over again from both of us. mine are valid, however, because he is indeed a dumbass.

Was right about to say this.

[EminemInsider]

I hope you two can keep this up. Makes for fascinating reading.

really? it's just a bunch of "you dumbass!" insults over & over again from both of us. mine are valid, however, because he is indeed a dumbass.

he thinks The Way I Am sucks because it doesn't discuss anything original, despite the fact that all his favorite Eminem songs (Sing for the Moment, Rock Bottom) aren't revolutionary concepts either.

he thinks The Way I Am sucks because he changes the way words are pronounced & 'forces' rhymes, despite the fact that he does this in all his favorite Eminem songs ("they make you out to look like a loose cannUN... don't hesitate to produce handGUNS.. all these kids be listening to me Reli JIS-LY)..

Sing for the Moment has plenty of awkward-sounding multis (he pronounces ideas as i-dares, & 'likes earrings' as 'likes air-rens')... he even adds "B" to "sense" to complete the rhyme.. this is the epitome of forcing. by his own logic this should be a fucking terrible song, yet it's one of his favorites. these are the same tiny lyrical blemishes that he uses as evidence that The Way I am sucks.

which is why he's braindead.

Not only are you dumb as a box of rocks, but you're apparently deaf as well.

He doesn't pronounce "ideas" as "idares" (if anything, he's saying "nightMEERS" to make it sound better) nor is he saying "earrings" as "air-rens" (if anything, he says "white PEERents")...what the fuck are you listening to?

By the way, those are legitimate regional dialect changes. His ability to play around with vowel sounds in LEGITIMATE ways to give him more options is one of the things that makes him great. He has an ear for how people actually talk.

And cannon/handgun isn't a stretch for a rap song at all.

Not that that has anything to do with why The Way I Am is weak lyrically. The second verse is him demonstrating a poor grasp of the English language, "forcing" by emphasizing the VERY LAST SYLLABLE of words to create a weak monosyllabic rhyme (pinkYYYYY), etc.

The lack of multis is one thing, but the poor linguistic choices are the nail in the coffin.

*He rhymes "nonsense" and "conscience" again while referencing the same track he rhymed them in (Guilty Conscience)

*It takes him 4 bars to tell us what finger he's pointing back at the media even though we knew exactly what he meant by it as soon as he said, "so I point one back at 'em."

*"Then attack Eminem cuz I rap this way." What is he even saying? Is this a request? If so, it doesn't make sense in the context of the song. "THEN attack Eminem cuz I rap this way." What's the "if" before he says "then...?" He'd just gotten through saying, "When a dude's gettin' bullied and shoots up his school and they blame it on Marilyn, and the heroin, where were the parents at? And look where it's at--middle America. Now it's a tragedy, now it's so sad to see--an upper class city havin this happenin."

*Why limit it to the 2nd verse...he uses the word "glad" both here and at the end of the 3rd verse. That's the best word he can think to use? That's as bad as him going, "my dad, cuz I hate him so bad/the worst feeling I had was growing up to be like his fuckin ass" in Say Goodbye to Hollywood.

*And stop-with-the-fables/I'm not-gonna-be-able. The syllables don't match up--5 vs. 6. It's a forced multi and sounds lame.

*Just like with the second verse, he ends his bars on words that don't rhyme with anything and then pauses with the echo on, making it truly awkward. Look at all of the instances of this:

CUZ THEY FULL OF SHIT TOO

HAVIN THIS HAPPENIN

RAP THIS WAY

TO TOP ON "MY NAME IS"

THE SAME FUCKIN QUESTIONS

CUZ THEY DRIVIN ME CRAZY (this one was tolerable, at least, because the multi before it was solid (where and the how/tearin' it out)

And the entire thing ends on, "No I won't sign your autograph/You can call me an asshole, I'm glad"


But since he's angry, it made you wet yourself, which is really why you like the song, right?


The entire thing is "force" city...and the fact that you can't recognize this shows your inferior intelligence.

[EminemInsider]

You don't determine what is "good" and "bad" in terms of skillful execution by whether or not YOU find the subject interesting...

yes, of course you do. i don't give a shit about how well a verse is crafted, if it's about something boring like the chemical structure of ammonia.

i don't care how good your grammar or vocabulary is (which are both good) if the points you make are unfathomably stupid (which they are).

Well, maybe you do, but that's because you're an idiot.

Spelling and grammar aren't everything...neither are multis. But a good argument is a good argument just as a good song's a good song.

Saying "the earth is round because my cat said so" isn't a good argument.

[SajN]

^ Now you made me hate one of my favorurite verses

[MikeNUFC]

I hope you two can keep this up. Makes for fascinating reading.

really? it's just a bunch of "you dumbass!" insults over & over again from both of us. mine are valid, however, because he is indeed a dumbass.

Sarcasm is so hard to get across on the internet. Maybe I should have done a rather than try and make the look sarcastic which it didn't. Oh well, life goes on.

[AliJack]

I hope you two can keep this up. Makes for fascinating reading.

really? it's just a bunch of "you dumbass!" insults over & over again from both of us. mine are valid, however, because he is indeed a dumbass.

Sarcasm is so hard to get across on the internet. Maybe I should have done a rather than try and make the look sarcastic which it didn't. Oh well, life goes on.

forreal i got the sarcasm there and i think Amadeo did