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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby classthe_king » Jun 22nd, '14, 19:52

Snakebeast wrote:I agree with most of the things you said about the verse, Class, but I'd like to add something:

socrates shits shit psycho scripts, it's scripted syphilis


In this part, I think he says "spits" instead of "shits". Tech commonly refers to himself as "socrates", and "psycho scripts" probably means "crazy lyrics". "scripted syphilis" is Tech's way of saying "sick lyrics" (syphilis is a form of sickness). So he's basically saying "Tech spits crazy lyrics, they're sick" (though in a rather awkward manner).


okay that makes sense now. But I think this is a perfect example of why tech is so bad. You explained exactly what he meant, everything he said in those lines, in less words than he used. If I was explaining an Eyedea line it would take a paragraph. Accor once said that tech none says simple things in a complex way and that's the root of why he's such a poor lyricist.
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby dead prez » Jun 22nd, '14, 22:18

While I'm not defending Tech N9ne (don't care for him at all), I just wanna say that old being able to explain complex things in a simple manner in the best way is an outdated or archaic almost elitist manifesto that pretty much just prioritizes the punk rock manifesto. As if heavily obfuscating lyrics with thick and dense metaphors or cryptic slang rather than outwards saying it inferior. Of course you like Lupe & Aesop Rock so you're aware of this I guess, but I dunno too many people parrot that journalistic way of writing which shouldn't at all be the norm for art (and yeah I know journalism can be an art).

Like Ghostface is heavily dense and cryptic with a lot of slang being employed but it works especially for his storytelling songs and sometimes you can't even parse meaning from his lines but they sound good and he doesn't speak in broken english so...
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby Elision » Jun 23rd, '14, 00:10

Eedee wrote:
Elision wrote:
Eedee wrote:Tech was like, pure 100% shit.
what specifically should he have done differently? because the verse is bulletproof as far as I'm concerned, what more do you want?


More? For starters, I'd like to hear less tard.

I mean, let's be honest here...

I got beaver, feel a lot of booby
Died by the shovel and who be hot will nut a man
Whoever think different's in Laala Land a la creme
Scholar and a lot of cut inside I’m nothing but a bam


The fuck is he saying here? Sounds like he's having a stroke.

Strange music, my gang ruthless, we bang you if
Lame stupid, bust out your thangs, true it’s the pain you get
From brain circuits, my aim's lucid, my name to shoot this
Thing hang loosest, we flame crew, it's no damn blue ships


This part isn't bad, but it's still kinda like... what are you trying to say?

Sick with Sticky and Sadistik, suddenly something shifted
Simple sermon suckers seeming submissive
Say yes on some sugary substitute senses
Socrates spit shit, psychos grip this, scripted syphilis


He sacrifices content for a really bad alliteration that makes no sense whatsoever. "Simple sermon suckers" ... "Scripted... syphilis!" :laughing:

You haters don’t ride on my dick but your momma there
She like to play in my goat, she call it Osama hair
So now you gonna get your llama pair and shoot me out doc
Cause my insurance was fucked up by Obamacare


See? This makes sense! I knew he can do it!!
your lyrics are way off. i'd be annoyed by the verse too if i thought that's what he was saying. i posted the lyrics right after the song dropped a few pages back:

ahga beeba, feea lotta booby, dada baba shabalam
who be hotter? not a man
whoever think different's in la-la land
allah crammed scholar and a lot is caught inside of my knot then bada bam
strange music, my gang ruthless, we bang you if
lame/stupid gets out your fangs
truth this the pain you get:
from brain shoe kicks my aim's loose and my name shoot this
thang hangs nooses
we flame crew, it's no dang blue shit
sick with sticky and sadistik suddenly somethin shifted simple timin suckers seemin submissive
see us and some surely substitute senses, chackratise spits shit psycho scripts, it's scripted cyphillis (get me up out)
you haters don't ride on my dick - but yo momma there
she like to play in my goat she call it osama hair
so now you wanna go get your llama pair and shoot me
i'll die cause my insurance was fucked up by obama care
classthe_king wrote:Do you realize that you're saying the verse was grammatically fluent, what more do you want? Like your standard for lyrics are that it's good as long as it's grammatically fluent.
no I was pointing that out because I was assuming it was what you were crying about (like eedee). It's your typical go-to complaint on the subject.
classthe_king wrote:Like everything tech none said had zero depth whatsoever and was completely meaningless. And when I say that I'm not saying the words can't be translated into something but that they were without meaning.
The entire song was completely meaningless you fucking idiot.
classthe_king wrote:By Allah crammed scholar is he trying to say he's a scholar who's crammed a lot of studying of the works of Allah? Do you you not realize why that's bad?
I don't. Please explain it to me. I don't know how he could've made it rhyme any better, but any suggestions would be awesome :y: i love the way that bar flows.
strange music, my gang ruthless, we bang you if
lame/stupid gets out your fangs
truth this the pain you get:
from brain shoe kicks my aim's loose and my name (tec-9) shoot this
thang hangs nooses
we flame crew, it's no dang blue shit
classthe_king wrote:His crew is fire. Not sure what the blue part means unless he's trying to do something about the blood/crips and by flame crew he means the color red.


Dude just do an image search for Tech N9ne, what is the main color you see in everything? he's been a legitimate blood member for over 20 years and makes it very clear.
classthe_king wrote:Can you imagine if someone walked up to you and said, My gang ruthless, we bang you if lame/stupid. Get out your fangs, truth this the pain you get. You'd think they were either literally retarded or having a stroke.
uh no i'd think they were rapping. like a person having a stroke would suddenly start making every syllable of what they're saying rhyme. :facepalm
classthe_king wrote:that's just sacrificing the zero meaning he had in the first place to rhyme more.
....so then what's your point?
classthe_king wrote:the first line actually makes sense before the second line verges on complete nonsense. Socrates shits shit psycho scripts, it's scripted syphillis? Holy shit that is so bad I don't even know how to justify it.
I had a typo there it's "Socrates spits shit". Not sure what you're crying about here otherwise.
classthe_king wrote:Is your llama pair a gun? I've literally never heard that before and if it's real slang then fine but I think he just made it up for the rhyme which is again bad writing.
:facepalm
http://youtu.be/gCOej8EzWgU?t=50s
http://youtu.be/LGX4xyytRF8?t=2m5s
http://youtu.be/ZZBrSQzMk1Q?t=1m1s
classthe_king wrote:And then a shot at obamacare. Umm okay? Still he accomplished nothing with that verse
Nobody accomplished anything with the song. What do you expect from a straight rhyming track? Not every song is about cutting your wrists and crying, get over it.
oooooh, gotcha. :y: see this explains a lot :laughing:
classthe_king wrote:quit pretending like you just can't fathom why no one else likes anything that you do and vice versa and shut up.
I'm not doing that.
classthe_king wrote:okay that makes sense now. But I think this is a perfect example of why tech is so bad.
It's not about condensing words, it's about filling out 16 bars (typically) worth of properly-spanned syllables that rhyme as well as possible. That's what rap is, otherwise you're just talking with rhythm. If you want tech to fit a novel into a verse he can do that too, but you've made it clear that you're not into the chopping.
classthe_king wrote:You explained exactly what he meant, everything he said in those lines, in less words than he used.
And none of it rhymed.
i'm comin in, drivin my short bus
with this nose i don't need a torch up
bustin through, light the industry's porsche up
comin after who didn't support us...
imma change your brain bring
every wicked bit of strange to mainstream
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby classthe_king » Jun 23rd, '14, 06:34

Elision wrote:The entire song was completely meaningless you fucking idiot.


No it wasn't? Sadistik's verse was extremely well written and had a lot of substance. It's actually possible to focus on lyricism and rhyming at the same time

I don't. Please explain it to me. I don't know how he could've made it rhyme any better, but any suggestions would be awesome :y: i love the way that bar flows.


I'm talking about lyrically, there's actually more to a song than rhyming

Dude just do an image search for Tech N9ne, what is the main color you see in everything? he's been a legitimate blood member for over 20 years and makes it very clear.


So I was right? Don't know why you're getting pissy, not everyone has tech's life history memorized.

uh no i'd think they were rapping. like a person having a stroke would suddenly start making every syllable of what they're saying rhyme. :facepalm


everything isn't about rhyming

[url]....so then what's your point?[/url]

his lyrics suck

[url]I had a typo there it's "Socrates spits shit". Not sure what you're crying about here otherwise.[/url]

it being terrible lyricism

Nobody accomplished anything with the song. What do you expect from a straight rhyming track?


I expect it to still have good lyricism. Straight rhyming tracks without lyrics are terrible and the easiest songs in the world to write. Go to the CW section and you'll see raps filled with multis.

Not every song is about cutting your wrists and crying, get over it.


This comment just shows how out of touch you are with everything you're talking about. No one said anything about this. There are tons of good just straight fun and/or braggadocio tracks that still have good lyrics. Sadistik's verse for example. I don't mean emotion when I say substance.

oooooh, gotcha. :y: see this explains a lot :laughing:


That verse is an extremely well written and detailed story with excellent lyricism so yeah it explains why I picked it.

I'm not doing that.


That's literally exactly what you're doing.

It's not about condensing words, it's about filling out 16 bars (typically) worth of properly-spanned syllables that rhyme as well as possible. That's what rap is, otherwise you're just talking with rhythm. If you want tech to fit a novel into a verse he can do that too, but you've made it clear that you're not into the chopping.


It's about saying the most you can with the least amount of words. Substance. And no that's not what rap is about at all. RAP IS ABOUT WAY MORE THAN RHYMING. I want you to just acknowledge that you don't care about lyrics and only care about rhyming and that's why no one likes the same shit that you do.

I'm sorry but this is the last time I'm replying to you. You're either a troll or someone so dense that they just can't listen to anything anyone else is saying. Tech N9ne fills a niche in the genre for people that like that type of rap but you're in the minority when it comes to people who look at rap the way you do. I can't stand seeing you going into one more thread, "I just can't see why people like this Kendrick Lamar guy :-k i really wish I could see what everyone else is enjoying so much but I just can't" Ummmm you know exactly what it is, the rest of the hip-hop community enjoys other facets of rap besides rhyming. At this point rhyming is probably the least impressive part of rap because of how easy it is and how much it takes away from everything else. So see you on the foes list.
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby CrashBand » Jun 23rd, '14, 11:13

Willy wrote:Elision, I hope you don't let others ruin something you like.

this nigga...
I'm not tryin to be rude, but I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby Solace » Jun 23rd, '14, 16:32

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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby mdemaz » Jun 23rd, '14, 16:34

I don't see the big deal, honestly.

Of course Tech's verse is bad.
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby Solace » Jun 23rd, '14, 16:37

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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby dR3 » Jun 23rd, '14, 16:43

Holy shit... I'm not that big on Eyedea because I've listened to too little to form an opinion, but maaaan that verse...

The whole song is fucking mesmerizing, love it.
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Jun 23rd, '14, 17:02

FUCK YEAH
The devil ain't on a level same as him!
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Jun 23rd, '14, 17:14

Fuck, man...

Eyedea R.I.P
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby classthe_king » Jun 23rd, '14, 19:47

Hearing Eyedeas voice again sent a chill down my spine...

RIP
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby Elision » Jun 24th, '14, 04:16

I'm honestly afraid to click that Solace. i feel like i should know better.
i'm comin in, drivin my short bus
with this nose i don't need a torch up
bustin through, light the industry's porsche up
comin after who didn't support us...
imma change your brain bring
every wicked bit of strange to mainstream
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby Snakebeast » Jun 24th, '14, 04:24

Wheeeeeeew that is fucking awesome.

That last line from Eyedea though....Creepy as fuck.
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Re: Sadistik - ULTRAVIOLET (July 1st)

Postby CrashBand » Jun 24th, '14, 10:52

eyedea

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