Menzo & Innovation Present: Lyrical Appreciation Thread

[Willy]

If rhymes are that far apart they lose their intended effect. So, regardless of whether he did it on purpose or not (he didn't) it doesn't make the song any better because our brains aren't registering the happiness we get from similar sounds placed in proximity. In other words, yes, it rhymes... but it probably shouldn't be in a lyrical appreciation thread as it literally serves no purpose and it's extremely unlikely it was done intentionally.

The only way it was done on purpose was if Em started having rhyme OCD. Which, I guess I wouldn't completely put it past him, so I will give you a 1.3 percent chance that rhyme was intentional.

[Eedee]

If rhymes are that far apart they lose their intended effect. So, regardless of whether he did it on purpose or not (he didn't) it doesn't make the song any better because our brains aren't registering the happiness we get from similar sounds placed in proximity. In other words, yes, it rhymes... but it probably shouldn't be in a lyrical appreciation thread as it literally serves no purpose and it's extremely unlikely it was done intentionally.

The only way it was done on purpose was if Em started having rhyme OCD. Which, I guess I wouldn't completely put it past him, so I will give you a 1.3 percent chance that rhyme was intentional.

You still don't get it. This is a lyrical appreciation thread. Not a rhyming appreciation thread. We point out rhymes and how hidden or intricate they are. What he did was lyrical. It rhymed, yes, but it was the very definition of intricate lyricism.

[Willy]

You don't get it. If it was a RHYMING thread it would make MORE sense because it RHYMES. But it is not lyrical at all to have unintended rhymes 9 bars apart. What lyrical purpose does that serve, lmao?

[Willy]

I really doubt Eminem didn't realize there was a part later in the song that rhymed with the beginning.

Maybe you're right, maybe not. But my point is, no one would intentionally write rhymes that far apart because there is no point. Granted, Em might have rhyme OCD so I gave you the 1.3 %. Anyways, this is pointless, you guys did a good job highlighting shit for the most part and Imma go eat some chicken.

[Eedee]

You don't get it. If it was a RHYMING thread it would make MORE sense because it RHYMES. But it is not lyrical at all to have unintended rhymes 9 bars apart. What lyrical purpose does that serve, lmao?

It shows he's not linear in his rhyming. He thinks of a whole verse ahead of time. He plans out his shit. He doesn't go one line at a time. It's lyrical.

[Mr Change]

It's sad coming to a lyrical appreciation thread and seeing people argue about whether Eminem intentionally rhymed something or not.

Hello, it's a LYRICAL APPRECIATION THREAD FOR EMINEM. It shouldn't even matter if it was intentional or not, they are lyrics that he wrote no matter how you flip it.

[Emadyville]

what the fuck line are you guys even specifically talking about anymore

[CrashBand]

I think it's if it likely that Em intended to rhyme 'Nothing High' from the first line with 'from the light' in one of the last lines.

[CrashBand]

It's sad coming to a lyrical appreciation thread and seeing people argue about whether Eminem intentionally rhymed something or not.

Hello, it's a LYRICAL APPRECIATION THREAD FOR EMINEM. It shouldn't even matter if it was intentional or not, they are lyrics that he wrote no matter how you flip it.

In my opinion, if you are appreciating someones lyrics, it is definitely relevant if that person intended to make a rhyme, make a punch, make a double entendre etc.

[Willy]

It's sad coming to a lyrical appreciation thread and seeing people argue about whether Eminem intentionally rhymed something or not.

Hello, it's a LYRICAL APPRECIATION THREAD FOR EMINEM. It shouldn't even matter if it was intentional or not, they are lyrics that he wrote no matter how you flip it.

In my opinion, if you are appreciating someones lyrics, it is definitely relevant if that person intended to make a rhyme, make a punch, make a double entendre etc.

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[Accor]

hey guys rhyming =/= lyricism btw idk if you kno that

[Eedee]

^ EB makes a very good point.

[Accor]

It obviously plays a part but if you're going to have a lyrical appreciation thread, why only highlight rhymes? I've always found it to be the least impressive and easiest part of lyricism.

I was discussing it yesterday with someone on here. Like, you can have a very, VERY lyrically impressive song with great wordplay, metaphors, entendre's, and pretty basic rhymes. But usually a song with flat out rhyming is something anyone can do.

The only reason I said that though is because in the OP, Menzo said that he was highlighting the rhymes on the supposed Relapse 2 songs to see how "lyrical" it would be, like that's all it takes lol. I believe Underground rhymes a lot but it definitely isn't a lyrical masterpiece.

[12characters]

It obviously plays a part but if you're going to have a lyrical appreciation thread, why only highlight rhymes? I've always found it to be the least impressive and easiest part of lyricism.

I was discussing it yesterday with someone on here. Like, you can have a very, VERY lyrically impressive song with great wordplay, metaphors, entendre's, and pretty basic rhymes. But usually a song with flat out rhyming is something anyone can do.

The only reason I said that though is because in the OP, Menzo said that he was highlighting the rhymes on the supposed Relapse 2 songs to see how "lyrical" it would be, like that's all it takes lol. I believe Underground rhymes a lot but it definitely isn't a lyrical masterpiece.

Did you ever find a song that had great metaphors but trash rhyming?

[Accor]

Did you ever find a song that had great metaphors but trash rhyming?

Haha not Bizarre level rhyming. I don't know how you could write something with rhymes THAT basic though.

I think double entendres are easier to do than rhyming well. They don't say that puns are the lowest form of wit for nothing. Triple entendres...a little harder to do and requires more brainpower. But they'll never make me go "wow."

I don't know. I'm not trying to say rhyming is EASY, and there's some simple double entendre's, but I think given enough time, anyone can write something that rhymes well. I remember I posted this verse a guy from SL wrote while trying to prove to people that Relapse wasn't all that impressive. I'm sure I can dig it up if you want.

Lupe's first two albums have some great triple+ entendre's.

Multies, on the other hand, whether you like them or not, are a learned skill. Not anyone can write 8-syllable multis. The local butcher down the road can't, and neither can my mailman...mainly because they don't even know what they are. But those two people have probably made over 1000 puns/plays on words in their lives.

Yeah I'm not trying to say they're easy to write, but I think if you give me enough time, I could come up with a verse filled with multies but I probably couldn't do that as well with other forms of lyricism.

Using multis means you care about the overall sound of the lyrics. Using punchlines means...um...you can isolate two meanings of the same word. I don't think rappers should even bother with them. Most of them make me want to die...even the ones from good rappers.

I definitely think multies should be used to an extent. Using a lot of multies while saying exactly what you want to say how you want to say it, without changing the way you phrase things just to add rhymes (Crooked I) can be very impressive. AZ's verse on Life's a Bitch and Saying Goodbye to Hollywood are two great examples of that.

As for punchlines, I don't really like them either. Unless you have a really, really good one, I don't think they should be added into your song. Joe Budden used to have some great ones, though.

Metaphors, on the other hand, are great when used nicely.


Agreed. I think Underground is just a bit of fun from Eminem, but it's not impressive.

I'll sure as hell take Relapse Eminem (whose filler songs consisted of long strings of multis) over Recovery Eminem (whose filler songs consisted of lame punchlines) though.

Yeah I actually think I agree with that. Mostly because Recovery has no traces of entendre's, metaphors, or anything like that other than horrible punchlines and extremely basic wordplay. Relapse is at least interesting to some degree. Underground is pretty bad though imo.


Rhyming can be impressive, I just think at times it can bring down lyricism when people force rhymes that are unnecessary into songs.