Say What You Say

[Satan]

Fucking hate this song lol

[mdemaz]

k

dat beat doe

[Satan]

k

dat beat doe

The beat is atrocious. Literally just random leftover beat noises thrown together on a loop.

[CrashBand]

Yeah, this and the D12 song are definitions of filler.

[Satan]

It's shitty. TES ain't classic for a few reasons but this is the strongest thing against it honestly.

They should change your name to Pythoon aight nigga labelled with a whack single

TES is overrated tbfh. White America, Say Goodbye Hollywood, Sing For The Moment, and Til I Collapse were the only above average songs on the entire album. I know it's an overdone argument, but Em did go soft with this album. Business, Drips, Superman, Hailie's Song, When The Music Stops, and Say What You Say are all complete weak trash.

[LK5]

[CrashBand]

lol @ implying "going soft" equals getting worse.

Superman and Hailie's Song are great lol.

But if you took Business, Drips, When The Music Stops, and Say What You Say out you'd probably have the goat album

White America 10/10
Cleaning Out My Closet 9.5/10
Soldier 9.5/10
Say Goodbye To Hollywood 10/10
Without Me 9.5/10
Sing For The Moment 10/10
Superman 8/10
Haillie's Song 9.5/10
Til I Collapse 10/10
My Dad's Gone Crazy 8.5/10

arbitrary rankings of course but chuck that shit in class's tracklist thread

[Amadeo]

Hailie's Song is trash?

Eminem's verses for both himself and Dr Dre were superb on Say What You Say (particularly himself).

"He went soft on The Eminem Show" is a sheeplike, ridiculous opinion. I've seen no proper justification for it because there is none.

"SSLP and MMLP are great but TES sux" is a common opinion among idiots who want to look cool and different by bashing the more sincere, less sarcastic album of the Holy Trinity.

[Trilla]

What's wrong with SWYS?

Some of Eminem's best lyrics are on that song.

[Satan]

It's shitty. TES ain't classic for a few reasons but this is the strongest thing against it honestly.

They should change your name to Pythoon aight nigga labelled with a whack single

TES is overrated tbfh. White America, Say Goodbye Hollywood, Sing For The Moment, and Til I Collapse were the only above average songs on the entire album. I know it's an overdone argument, but Em did go soft with this album. Business, Drips, Superman, Hailie's Song, When The Music Stops, and Say What You Say are all complete weak trash.

Actually Halies song, business, superman are some of eminems best songs, all GOAT songs.

And...

When the music stops > Under the influence

Hailie's Song, while emotionally having value, doesn't hold up 10 years later when she's a teenager, and his singing is atrocious. Business is him tiredly rambling about how crazy and zany he is, while trying to do a retarded "superhero" concept. Superman is just...lazy, tired, and too much of a boring concept for such a GOAT to be doing. WTMS has an incredibly sub-par Eminem verse and boring cookie-cutter D12 verses. Under the Influence is 9/10, WTMS is 6/10 at best.

[Amadeo]

Hailie's Song, while emotionally having value, doesn't hold up 10 years later when she's a teenager, and his singing is atrocious.

Is this a troll post?

If not:

It "doesn't hold up"? That's a retarded non-argument that EminemInsider has already dismantled.

If you used to think a song was good and now think it sucks, that's everything to do with you and nothing to do with the song. A song's quality doesn't change from the moment it's released. You changed. Into an idiot, it seems.

Current circumstances (especially uncontrollable circumstances like Hailie becoming a teenager) do not retroactively change the quality of a song made in the past. That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read.

I wouldn't call the singing on Hailie's Song atrocious. It's not technically perfect, but it has a lot of heart, and so does the song in general.

Business is him tiredly rambling about how crazy and zany he is, while trying to do a retarded "superhero" concept. Superman is just...lazy, tired, and too much of a boring concept for such a GOAT to be doing. WTMS has an incredibly sub-par Eminem verse and boring cookie-cutter D12 verses. Under the Influence is 9/10, WTMS is 6/10 at best.

Under The Influence is nothing special, and I wouldn't even say it's better than most of these songs you're bashing, apart from the superior delivery.

Eminem's verse falls short of his usual rhyming standards around that time, and there just isn't enough humor or cleverness to make up for it. He simply sings with the beat's melody in the chorus. That is what you call a "filler" song. Chucked on the MMLP purely because he wanted to throw D12 a bone.

[Satan]

It's shitty. TES ain't classic for a few reasons but this is the strongest thing against it honestly.

They should change your name to Pythoon aight nigga labelled with a whack single

TES is overrated tbfh. White America, Say Goodbye Hollywood, Sing For The Moment, and Til I Collapse were the only above average songs on the entire album. I know it's an overdone argument, but Em did go soft with this album. Business, Drips, Superman, Hailie's Song, When The Music Stops, and Say What You Say are all complete weak trash.

You're a fuckin idiot if you think those songs are only "above average".

Sing For The Moment is a strong contender for best Eminem song of all time.

I shoulda worded it better. I lud those songs a helluva lot, 10/10 for sure

[Kill You]

Verses were good but the beat is what brings it down a lot.

[Mathers]

I really hate the beat and the hook.

[EminemInsider]

OP is an idiot.