Lil Wayne ft Drake - Grindin [Da Carter V]

[King Lance]

or the geratest track ever.

what when has this ever happened? the dude puts close to no effort into his music because that's what his fans seem to like.

Listen to his old stuff. Carter 2 is imo one of the best albums of the previous decade & Da Drought 3 is widely praised as one of the best mixtapes ever

He has more bad projects than good ones though, but his good projects are really, really good.

[TheBoss123]

or the geratest track ever.

what when has this ever happened? the dude puts close to no effort into his music because that's what his fans seem to like.

Listen to his old stuff. Carter 2 is imo one of the best albums of the previous decade & Da Drought 3 is widely praised as one of the best mixtapes ever

He has more bad projects than good ones though, but his good projects are really, really good.

i do like tha carter 2. But i went back and listened to the da drought 3 and it wasnt nearly as good as i recalled, it had alottttttt of nonsense on it IMO.

[Elision]

Listen to his old stuff. Carter 2 is imo one of the best albums of the previous decade & Da Drought 3 is widely praised as one of the best mixtapes ever

dude what the fuck is your music intake? i've heard both of these projects and they are thoroughly shit. it's as if he wrote them in a day - i could go take a shit right now and produce something more intricate than those projects. and how the fuck are you gonna put drought 3 in the category of best mixtapes ever? i'm not being biased here i really want an explanation.

his good projects are really, really good.

link me one and i'll happily shut up. lil wayne couldn't rap his way out of his own front door, the dude can hardly stay on beat most of the time it's pathetic and every flow he's ever had has been the definition of generic, he's the special k of hiphop don't come around here with this bullshit.

[slimsoxshady]

in this bitch like a tampon

[mdemaz]

cant wait for c5 mane

[dead prez]

dude what the fuck is your music intake?

While I can't speak for Lance (although he cool) I've listened to more far more music than just hip hop and I've listened to a fair amount and nothing in that post is ridiculous or asinine. Lil Wayne in his prime was probably the most charismatic rapper ever.

i've heard both of these projects and they are thoroughly shit.

Bwahahahahaha a fan of tech n9ne and hopsin says this? And bullshit I can bet money that you skimmed them or heard a few similes that you didn't like and immediately wrote him off, not that it should matter when your favorite rapper is one that constantly raps in broken fucking english and has one of the lames gimmicks in rap.

it's as if he wrote them in a day - i could go take a shit right now and produce something more intricate than those projects.

hahahahahahaha

Absolute bullshit, you probably would never make an album better than Carter III let alone those two, and soo? The Blueprint was written in 2 days, time of creations has absolutely nothing to do with quality. & if you mean they feel rushed than lol still no. Seriously though I can BET that you can't even write a verse better than prime wayne material when he's in his A game. Though fucking lool @ comparing writtens to actual studio material.

and how the fuck are you gonna put drought 3 in the category of best mixtapes ever? i'm not being biased here i really want an explanation.

This really isn't an unpopular opinion, another mixtape that I think might be on par is Elmatic. Hell it's probably the best double sided release in hip hop.

link me one and i'll happily shut up. lil wayne couldn't rap his way out of his own front door, the dude can hardly stay on beat most of the time it's pathetic and every flow he's ever had has been the definition of generic, he's the special k of hiphop don't come around here with this bullshit.

Try Dedication 2, Carter II and The Drought 3 for starters.
I honestly fucking think you're trolling now and are just projecting cause you're sick of people shitting on Tech n9ne all the time for rapping in broken english, and if you think Lil Wayne has a generic flow you know absolutely nothing about hip hop. I mean maybe you know the technicalities and all that and sure Tech N9ne can rap really fast and all that but that's literally it. If you think that's good rapping than you're no different than those mongs that think people who play the hardest fastest riffs equate it to being good music. You don't even look the soul of music and just drool over bland technical efficiency, which is you have such a hard on for all those lame rappers who have all the punchlines and rap really fast but have no distinct style and who make some of the most boring music in existence.

[mdemaz]

kk

[Elision]

Lil Wayne in his prime was probably the most charismatic rapper ever.

Bwahahahahaha a fan of tech n9ne and hopsin says this?

...and here we go with the tech shit again, couldn't even get one response in this time could we? How does this inevitably happen in literally every single thread I participate in? It's ridiculous. Yes, I'm a big strange fan but my playlist extends far beyond tech n9ne, I listen to quite a hefty amount of artists regularly.

I can bet money that you skimmed them or heard a few similes that you didn't like and immediately wrote him off

I do not, repeat do not criticize anything that I haven't thoroughly examined myself before hand and many people here can speak for me on that matter.

not that it should matter when your favorite rapper is one that constantly raps in broken fucking english and has one of the lames gimmicks in rap.

Who are you referring to?

I can BET that you can't even write a verse better than prime wayne material when he's in his A game.

I do it all the time.

fucking lool @ comparing writtens to actual studio material.

What's the difference?

Try Dedication 2

Listening now.

you're sick of people shitting on Tech n9ne all the time for rapping in broken english,

I'm not. You're sure are a presumptuous one though aren't you?

if you think Lil Wayne has a generic flow you know absolutely nothing about hip hop.

Elaborate, because as far as I'm concerned Wayne is the definition of generic. For fucks sake his label is called Cash Money.

I mean maybe you know the technicalities and all that and sure Tech N9ne can rap really fast and all that but that's literally it.

Tech rarely raps very fast.

You don't even look the soul of music and just drool over bland technical efficiency

You have no idea what you're talking about.

you have such a hard on for all those lame rappers who have all the punchlines and rap really fast but have no distinct style and who make some of the most boring music in existence.

Such as?

[dead prez]

Name some you think are more charismatic, lol this should be good. And I’ll fucking die if you list hopsin or Tech N9ne.

and here we go with the tech shit again, couldn't even get one response in this time could we? How does this inevitably happen in literally every single thread I participate in? It's ridiculous. Yes, I'm a big strange fan but my playlist extends far beyond tech n9ne, I listen to quite a hefty amount of artists regularly.

Regardless of how many artists you listen to (though I highly doubt you wanna turn it into a dick measuring contest) the fact that you call Prime Wayne’s material shit but praise garbage like Tech N9ne and Hopsin speaks volumes about shit taste, don’t get indignant cause I’m rightfully calling you on it.

I do not, repeat do not criticize anything that I haven't thoroughly examined myself before hand and many people here can speak for me on that matter.

Oh I’m sure you’ve probably listened to both projects front to back maybe once but obviously came in with a negative mindset thinking it’ll irredeemably suck, I don’t even have to be presumptuous (though you can call me that if you want) when you are the text book example of “underground hip hop” listener .

Who are you referring to?

Tech N9ne obviously, you are like some insane North Korean propagandist when it comes to Tech N9ne. I distinctly remember you defending some bizarre tech verse that was in the worst English and tried running circles around the fact that it didn’t make an ounce of sense.

I do it all the time.

Ahahaha my what an arrogant dickhead, noo no no. Get your own fucking style first before you get bigheaded Jesus Christ.

What's the difference?

Are you really fucking asking what’s the difference between songs actually put on wax and some shit you scribble in your notepad whenever you’re bored?

I'm not. You're sure are a presumptuous dude though aren't you?

I’m just putting two and two together.

Elaborate, because as far as I'm concerned Wayne is the definition of generic. For fucks sake his label is called Cash Money.

Now I know you didn’t even listen to Da Drought 3 when he fucking switches up his flows and deliveries in just about every song. Also lol at citing the name of a label and using that against his music.

Tech rarely raps very fast

Just about every song I’ve heard from him he raps faster than average or at least double time, I’m not talking about him trying to beat mac lethal for the world record of fastest rap (if he even still holds that title).

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I do when you praise garbage like Tech N9ne but find Blu boring or just about anyone that doesn’t rap in some technical drab way a lesser rapper than someone who goes out of their way to skull fuckingly boring technical rap.

Such as?

Hopsin for one

[Elision]

Name some you think are more charismatic, lol this should be good. And I’ll fucking die if you list hopsin or Tech N9ne.

Rittz comes to mind, that dude does absolutely everything double time and he performs everything back-to-back live so the charisma is incredible. But also Immortal Technique, I've seen that dude break mics. Jarren Benton is insane live as well, but he's always on some crazy stimulant so that may not count. But then you have artists like Soul Khan who seem to never need a breather, he'll do his whole set without a single pause which makes no sense to me. Then of course there's Dizaster but I doubt battle mc's count here either. I can list and link plenty more if you'd like, just let me know. But please, link me an example of Wayne matching up.

the fact that you call Prime Wayne’s material shit but praise garbage like Tech N9ne and Hopsin speaks volumes about shit taste, don’t get indignant cause I’m rightfully calling you on it.

Have you actually listened through an album of either of those artists? Tech specifically. They put a heavy amount of craftsmanship into their work, constant rewrites and sharpening. Whereas the same cannot be said for Wayne. Last I heard he freestyles all of his verses, is this true?

I’m sure you’ve probably listened to both projects front to back maybe once

That's true.

but obviously came in with a negative mindset thinking it’ll irredeemably suck

I did, because everything before it sucked. But I give every new release of every artist an honest listen.

you are the text book example of “underground hip hop” listener .

What does that mean? Nearly every single rapper to ever exist is underground.

Tech N9ne obviously, you are like some insane North Korean propagandist when it comes to Tech N9ne. I distinctly remember you defending some bizarre tech verse that was in the worst English and tried running circles around the fact that it didn’t make an ounce of sense.

What verse?

Ahahaha my what an arrogant dickhead, noo no no. Get your own fucking style first before you get bigheaded Jesus Christ.

You asked me, I'm being as humble as possible. What in my response was arrogant and bigheaded? And while I do pull from sources of inspiration I like to believe that I've always had a distinct style.

Are you really fucking asking what’s the difference between songs actually put on wax and some shit you scribble in your notepad whenever you’re bored?

That's not what you said. You said writtens and studio material, and I asked what the difference was between the two-- still awaiting a response.

Now I know you didn’t even listen to Da Drought 3 when he fucking switches up his flows and deliveries in just about every song.

I very did, I'm not a liar. But please show me an example of him swapping flows in a song, I've never heard this from Wayne, he uses the same simple flow start-to-finish every single time, with a hook in between.

Just about every song I’ve heard from him he raps faster than average

That's fair.

I do when you praise garbage like Tech N9ne but find Blu boring or just about anyone that doesn’t rap in some technical drab a lesser rapper

This is simply untrue. For example I'm an eyedea and slug fan. In fact I really enjoyed that last atmosphere project.

Hopsin for one

I'm really not that big of a hopsin fan. Never have been. Not sure where you got that idea, I do appreciate his efforts though and we are friends so I won't speak negatively on him as I know how hard he tries.

[sbolli1]

holy shit just drop it, I don't understand how you guys can put so much time into rebutting every single fucking word some other guy spouts on the internet.

On Topic: Garbage incoming.

[dead prez]

Rittz comes to mind, that dude does absolutely everything double time and he performs everything back-to-back live so the charisma is incredible. But also Immortal Technique, I've seen that dude break mics. Jarren Benton is insane live as well, but he's always on some crazy stimulant so that may not count. But then you have artists like Soul Khan who seem to never need a breather, he'll do his whole set without a single pause which makes no sense to me. Then of course there's Dizaster but I doubt battle mc's count here either. I can list and link plenty more if you'd like, just let me know. But please, link me an example of Wayne matching up.

We obviously have very fucking different defintions of what constitutes charisma? Cause that guy was just rapping really fast, ofc he’s gonna have people cheering what do you expect? Them to throw tomatoes at him, he just sounded like some guy trying to beat mac lethal’s record. And lool at citing Immortal technique, well at least now I know you’re not just someone who has a fetish for technicality since his breath control is atrocious. I will say that his lack of technicality however is a plus and give his music that raw feel, almost like he’s just shouting at you like some revolutionary leader. Still lil wayne in Carta II and dedication II is more charismatic he embodied that hardened mob boss with a blasé persona perfectly in songs like hustler muzik and hit em up and really fit that mold.

Have you actually listened through an album of either of those artists? Tech specifically. They put a heavy amount of craftsmanship into their work, constant rewrites and sharpening. Whereas the same cannot be said for Wayne. Last I heard he freestyles all of his verses, is this true?

I’ve listened to Raw by hopsin a while back when everyone was his nuts so hard in this site and came away thinking “Wow this guy is Eminem’s Guerilla Black”, and Sag My Pants is one of the corniest most puerile songs I’ve ever heard. It’s like if someone took everything that was good about prime Eminem cut away all the meat and shook the gristle in a bowl and that’s what you get.
As for Tech N9ne, no, though I do have friends who used to be huge fans of him and showed me his songs all the time but don’t care for him at all anymore and find him almost juvenile. He’s got good technique and can rhyme his ass off and I know people are into that type of shit (nothing wrong with that I go to rhyme asylum or copywrite or Prime Eminem if I wanna hear someone rap their ass off) but I also just find Tech N9ne stylistically bad.

& Lil Wayne gives off that illusion cause of how insanely prolific he is and if you mean nowadays than yeah he does not give one shit. He’s a sorta mad scientist with hip hop and very up and down as an artist but you could make CDs worth of material of his best songs. He doesn’t have any shimmering flawless classic (though few people do) and most of his material suffers from being excessively long not from him half assing his writing. As for freestyling the verses, I never heard of that unless you mean Jay z. Da Drought 3 has a very mixtape feel (it’s a fucking mixtape) and it’s him just spitting similies and punchlines over a variety of flows and deliveries and him just flexing his skills. Carta II absolutely feels like an album, hell even Da Dedication 2 it’s very well themed and has skits to it that give it an authentic feel, Da Drought 3 is the opposite it’s a scattershot mixtape with beats off all different sounds variations. That might be why it might seem like he doesn’t care in that mixtape.

That's true. I did, because everything before it sucked. But I give every new release of every artist an honest listen.

So once with a negative mindset, like I said not exactly objective, and I know I sound like a hypocrite for bashing Tech N9ne & Hopsin for that but at least I don’t try and act like the end all be all regarding them. Also lil wayne’s material preceding Carta II is vastly inferior to it.

What does that mean? Nearly every single rapper to ever exist is underground.

Meaning that you shit on just about everything mainstream but specifically crap on artists if they aren’t as technical or rap with as much multies as your favorites and dry to dress up your preferences in rap as the way to go. I mean come on man you bash just about every mainstream artist and even if you praise Eminem he’s as far as mainstream as can be (well prime anyway) but actually has charisma and skill. You also specifically put stock in how much multies a rapper can fit into a verse, how is that not like a stereotypical youtube underground poseur?

What verse?

I have to get back on this but it was fairly recent, I swear to God I’m not making it up though.

asked me, I'm being as humble as possible. What in my response was arrogant and bigheaded? And while I do pull from sources of inspiration I like to believe that I've always had a distinct style.

Being humble is saying you could take a shit better than those projects? LOOOOL
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Cause you didn’t just absolutely fucking SHARK tech n9ne/crooked I/ random generic multi syllabic rapper #44002. If you think I’m unfair by linking an old song than link a song or hell even written that’s better written than to his first verse in World of Fantasy, Hit Em Up, Georgia Bush, etc.

That's not what you said. You said writtens and studio material, and I asked what the difference was between the two-- still awaiting a response.

Quit playing semantic games I laughed at comparing writtens to something actually performed (cause you know half of if not more is about the delivery than the actual writing).

I very did, I'm not a liar. But please show me an example of him swapping flows in a song, I've never heard this from Wayne, he uses the same simple flow start-to-finish every single time, with a hook in between

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bhGgKdduk (I also said deliveries not just flows)
Not to mention you called him generic (fucking ROFL), I mean I could understand calling drake that, but when you start a song with a Jamaican accent that’s not fucking generic.

Or making a song like Crazy (and no I don’t just mean covering a song in sing songy manner).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsAPvMEf2XE (completely generic right) loll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJUszYxuVUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyEgvCVYd8 (one of the most experimental hip hop songs that isn’t like death grips or dalek)

This is simply untrue. For example I'm an eyedea and slug fan. In fact I really enjoyed that last atmosphere project.

Eyedea is hella fucking technical, have you listened to E&A? Unless you mean By the throat. And slug isn’t a slouch in the technical department either, he doesn’t let it dictate his music (cause he’s not a shitty rapper) but it makes sense since they both were battle rappers.

I'm really not that big of a hopsin fan. Never have been. Not sure where you got that idea, I do appreciate his efforts though and we are friends so I won't speak negatively on him as I know how hard he tries.

Didn’t you have a thread (granted a while back) meeting hopsin?

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hey sbolli you're one of the most useless, worthless posters in this shithole. That's no mean feat.

[Rafael]

Lololol @ Rittz being charismatic.

He raps the same verse every time. Same with Tech.

[classthe_king]