Lil Wayne ft Drake - Grindin [Da Carter V]

[Trimss]

Lololol @ Rittz being charismatic.

He raps the same verse every time. Same with Tech.

Nah bro Rittz's cool even though Charisma might not be his strongest quality, he still makes good music without falling into the underground rap cliché

[Mike_88]

Drops today.

[Josh]

it will flop like believe me .
waynes hype is over even in the states

[classthe_king]

Believe me gets played everywhere and definitely is not a flop

[TheBoss123]

Believe me gets played everywhere and definitely is not a flop

really? I havent heard it at all. ( Im genuinely surprised lol)

I definitely prefer Believe me to Krazy though.

[Josh]

Believe me gets played everywhere and definitely is not a flop

i never heard it

[Mike_88]

It's out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoP0fO3ui4

[Solace]

It's out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HoP0fO3ui4

[Ares]

SOTY

[Mike_88]

Produced by Boi-1da btw.
It's just my ears or something wrong with the beat?

[Elision]

We obviously have very fucking different defintions of what constitutes charisma? Cause that guy was just rapping really fast, ofc he’s gonna have people cheering what do you expect?

He's not just rapping fast. It seems really hard to get that through the head of most people, I don't understand why- He's an incredibly intricate total-package rapper capable of any style. He just prefers using double time flows along with it.

at least now I know you’re not just someone who has a fetish for technicality

no no I do. I fiend for it.

almost like he’s just shouting at you like some revolutionary leader.

He's primarily a revolutionary public speaker. The music comes 2nd.

Still lil wayne in Carta II and dedication II is more charismatic he embodied that hardened mob boss with a blasé persona perfectly in songs like hustler muzik and hit em up and really fit that mold.

I completely disagree, they felt very sloppy and poorly done (just went back and listened to hit em up since I forgot it) - I was going to link Tech's strangeulation verse but you restricted him from this part of the argument so I'll refrain. He is who I go to when looking for that though.

As for Tech N9ne, no, though I do have friends who used to be huge fans of him and showed me his songs all the time but don’t care for him at all anymore and find him almost juvenile.

damn that sucks, sorry to hear you came to that conclusion. check out strangeulation when you get a chance if you care maybe it'll budge your feelings a bit. fear and the calling seem right down your alley, especially given that his mother passed the week after fear happened.

Lil Wayne gives off that illusion cause of how insanely prolific he is

See I just don't hear him being prolific in the slightest. Never have, and I've listened to every major project. He comes off as your average run-of-the-mill gangster rapper who got inherited by the industry to do just that. It seems this is where we differ because you seem to hear something else.

He’s a sorta mad scientist with hip hop

What do you mean by this?

As for freestyling the verses, I never heard of that

found what i was referring to

That might be why it might seem like he doesn’t care in that mixtape.

No I was saying it sounds like he doesn't care because it sounds like he doesn't care. It sounds like he walks up to the mic and lets whatever the hell he feels like fall out of his face and gives his engineer a thumbs up afterwards.

So once with a negative mindset, like I said not exactly objective, and I know I sound like a hypocrite for bashing Tech N9ne & Hopsin for that but at least I don’t try and act like the end all be all regarding them.

I don't try to act like that either.

Also lil wayne’s material preceding Carta II is vastly inferior to it.

I can get behind that.

Meaning that you shit on just about everything mainstream

Again this is just untrue. There are a lot of mainstream cats I thoroughly enjoy outside of Em. Yes, I'm into more underground artists but that's because there's more of them period.

but specifically crap on artists if they aren’t as technical or rap with as much multies as your favorites and dry to dress up your preferences in rap as the way to go. I mean come on man you bash just about every mainstream artist and even if you praise Eminem he’s as far as mainstream as can be (well prime anyway) but actually has charisma and skill. You also specifically put stock in how much multies a rapper can fit into a verse

This is just false man, I don't know how else to go about saying that. Yes, I prefer more technical skill over less, so my ear tends to drift more towards underground artists, but that doesn't mean I dislike mainstream artists because they aren't as technically proficient. I dislike artists that don't seem to put in any effort. And what catches my attention most is when I hear an artist do something that I know I could never do, hence why I praise tech so much for his skill in the flow department, I can rhyme my ass off and I have a plethora of styles, but the way that guy hears a beat and then places his syllables over it is always new and something I haven't heard before, in fact the only time I've ever caught him using the same flow twice is here and here. I don't even know where to start when it comes to that kind of thing, I can only rhyme and either spit faster or slower, I have no ability to come up with a flow that I haven't already heard so when somebody does that repeatedly they have a tendency to crawl into my favorite's list. I really don't like talking about myself that much but hopefully that gives you some perspective on where I'm coming from.

I have to get back on this but it was fairly recent, I swear to God I’m not making it up though.

I'm not saying you're wrong about me doing it I'm just asking what verse because if I was that passionate about it there was likely a reason.

Cause you didn’t just absolutely fucking SHARK tech n9ne/crooked I/ random generic multi syllabic rapper #44002.

no no you're right I completely bit them there, it was my first time on a beat and I had no idea what I was doing. no argument there. i'd link recent work but I doubt it'd make a difference.

Quit playing semantic games I laughed at comparing writtens to something actually performed

Again I don't know what the difference is, I'm not trying to play any games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49bhGgKdduk

hahaha that was pretty cool at 1:30 word

Or making a song like Crazy

what of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsAPvMEf2XE (completely generic right) loll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJUszYxuVUM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuyEgvCVYd8 (one of the most experimental hip hop songs that isn’t like death grips or dalek)

Man all of those links feel extremely generic, particularly the 3rd link he hardly says anything there, again it's like he walks up to the mic like "alright whatever happens happens and we're gonna go with that". It makes me lose respect for the guy even more I wish I could hear what it is you're hearing because I'm not impressed in the slightest. And it's not because he isn't multi stacking or incorporating any type of cosmic flows, it's because I feel disrespected as a listener when listening to that. They feel like those leaked Em tracks that were never supposed to see the light of day.

Didn’t you have a thread (granted a while back) meeting hopsin?

yeah back in 2010 on his raw tour. we were myspace friends before then and he wanted to meet up when he came down so it was pretty cool to me. I haven't heard from him since 2013 though he blew up hardcore.

[Josh]

I don't know what i should think about it
is a forgettable track like Krazy and even Believe me .
Fucking Lollipop or even fucking Mirrors are a lot better as Singles

And Drake > Wayne on this like in Believe me .

Wayne should retire its Time

[cement]

mwaah, weezy sounds like rich homie quan, but songs decent

[Solace]

Lollipop is good

[Trimss]

Lollipop is good

That remix though

"You ain't finna murder me like everybody else"