Lil Wayne ft Drake - Grindin [Da Carter V]

[ShadyxEminem]

Lol @ Believe Me being a "flop" when it was (or still is) #1 on Urban radio.

And these are C5 session songs, I don't think any of these make the album except Krazy. As far as the song, its not my favorite Lil Wayne/Drake collab, but I do like it

[ShadyxEminem]

Lol @ Believe Me being a "flop" when it was (or still is) #1 on Urban radio.

And these are C5 session songs, I don't think any of these make the album except Krazy. As far as the song, its not my favorite Lil Wayne/Drake collab, but I do like it

what information are you basing that on? as far as i know, Believe Me, Krazy, and Grindin will all be on the album. i'm not certain about D'usse, but it's probably on there too

LilWayneHQ.com but it's a fan site so they could be wrong

[dead prez]

He's not just rapping fast. It seems really hard to get that through the head of most people, I don't understand why- He's an incredibly intricate total-package rapper capable of any style. He just prefers using double time flows along with it.

For future reference please don’t link live shows as the quality is damn bad and isn’t indicative of his actual skills and if anything undermines him as a rapper, as for listening to his actual songs they’re much better than his live shows. But still isn’t anything to write home about he just sounds like a white Krayzie Bone who raps really fast with a melodic flow. Drake has a melodic flow that doesn’t make him charismatic at all, though I’d argue he’s more charismatic than these dudes you keep yammering about.

no no I do. I fiend for it.

Welp

He's primarily a revolutionary public speaker. The music comes 2nd

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Man oh man does that show, I guess he’s charismatic in the sense that he can brainwash a bunch of armchair revolutionaries in their mom’s basement who think they know anything about the world but he’s not 2pac here. For the record I do actually somewhat like his music, but he sounds like he’s on Mt. Everest every time he raps.

I completely disagree, they felt very sloppy and poorly done (just went back and listened to hit em up since I forgot it) - I was going to link Tech's strangeulation verse but you restricted him from this part of the argument so I'll refrain. He is who I go to when looking for that though.

What the hell is sloppy about Hustler Muzik, Tha Mobb, Hit Em Up, or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8grixM0-LA
Or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=705SzAFyDDg
He really played into this gangster persona in a convincing manner, almost like Biggie in Life After Death in those two projects.
& as for Tech N9ne do you mean this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXIc03slT64
because if so LOL do you know what blasé means? He’s absolutely nothing like that and just sounds like some frantic dude panicking, granted his verse is actually pretty good. But blasé would be lyrics like
“Test me when I'm chilling and I'll kill you from a patio”
“Start em Ignite em I walk through fire watch the flames start multiplyin”
“Sometimes I wanna drop a tear, but no emotions from a king”
“Murder the adults and let the kids get adopted” (from the song Dedication II)
Nothing in that song you linked paints him as some blasé mob boss, in fact it’s the complete opposite haha. Not that it’s a minus, I just thought it funny you compared that. But yeah I mostly mentioned wayne cause of how convincing his gangster persona was (even though we all know it’s just acting ) not unlike Biggie’s. Tech N9ne was just making some song that was like throwing the fans a bone.

]damn that sucks, sorry to hear you came to that conclusion. check out strangeulation when you get a chance if you care maybe it'll budge your feelings a bit. fear and the calling seem right down your alley, especially given that his mother passed the week after fear happened.

His verse wasn’t bad in it, in fact it was quite good. It was just the complete opposite of what you described it as.

See I just don't hear him being prolific in the slightest.

Being prolific isn’t something hear it’s a goddamn fact. Lol, do you even realize the amount of material he released from 05-08 during his “best rapper alive run” and all the features he was in? He was the most visible rapper in the planet and I don’t mean that he was just the most famous (in fact before he blew up quite a few were a lot more famous than him). But he wrecked or reused just about ever hot beat at the time and then turned them into his own. Only fitting him and stealing the songs, as well as al his hooks (Duffle bag boy, people wanting him for Hooks), guest features, and his I can’t feel my face project with Juelz Santana.

Never have, and I've listened to every major project. He comes off as your average run-of-the-mill gangster rapper who got inherited by the industry to do just that. It seems this is where we differ because you seem to hear something else.

A run of the mill gangsta rapper would be Lloyd banks, hell as much as I love him Roc Marciano is pretty much just a wu revivalist rapper that is stuck in the mid 90s. Makes great niche music but yeah, Wayne is not a generic gangster rapper, unless you just have something against the sub genre to begin with. Like I said he embodied the sociopathic mob boss indifferent to life that would kill you without a though akin to Biggie.

What do you mean by this?

The amount of material he releases all varying wildly in quality (kinda like Lil B actually) but the fact that he isn’t scared to take risks or tread new ground. I mean for chrissake even if you don’t like I feel like Dying, you’d be a fool to think it’s completely generic. It’s one of the most atmospheric rap songs ever made (something the genre really needs more of), and actually sounds like a man about to OD. And not like in a pill junkie Eminem sorta way (in case any shithead tries to justify Encore’s garbage) but more like it really shows the insight of someone going through withdrawals put on wax. Of course he’s not gonna rap his off, and anyone who thinks he should have is an idiot that doesn’t get “tone” or “mood”.
Not to mention the way he experiments with his deliveries (I mean I love Nas & Black Though) but they pretty much played it safe with their deliveries and went for a conventional one their whole careers (nothing wrong with that per se) but Lil wayne could have easily went his gangster route his whole career but knew that was about to outstay its welcome so jumped ship and went into a more oddball territory sorta like MF DOOM where his rap is latent with pop culture references and similies and free associative rhymes. I mean how the hell does someone who makes Dedication II & Carta II go on to make Da Drought III.

found what i was referring to

Even if I do accept this little tidbit as true, few things:
1. It definitely didn’t show in Prime Wayne material .
2. This is when wayne was at the worst point in his career pretty much and when he did not give single solitary fuck and had the worst quality control in the industry.
3. If it IS true for prime wayne it doesn’t matter because art is all about the final outcome, process means jackshit.
4. He could merely be bragging like Jay z does.

No I was saying it sounds like he doesn't care because it sounds like he doesn't care. It sounds like he walks up to the mic and lets whatever the hell he feels like fall out of his face and gives his engineer a thumbs up afterwards.

Name some songs specifically cause I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ll take a bite though and assume you mean Da Drought 3 which was him just free associative similes the whole time, he was merely having fun. I don’t mean that in a “let’s throw shit at the wall and see if it sticks type of way” but more like he’s self aware of some of his lame puns and even giggles at them, but that’s besides the point. He was always more about how he delivered his lines rather than the content and that couldn’t ever be more true in Da Drought 3. Carta II is when he’s more focused, but I like the feel of the da drought III it’s a lot more raw and less polished.

I don't try to act like that either.

He came in saying that could shit out better songs than him, which is just laughable, & even questioned lance’s experience in the genre for speaking so highly of him.

]Again this is just untrue. There are a lot of mainstream cats I thoroughly enjoy outside of Em. Yes, I'm into more underground artists but that's because there's more of them period.

I’m well into underground into and far from a mainstream cat. Melanin 9 is one of my favorite rappers (for chrissake), I really like Elzhi, Doseone, Vordul Mega, Roc Marciano, Possessed etc. & I rarely if ever saw you talk mainstream rap but always rave about battle rap or underground technical rappers, and whenever you do talk mainstream rap it’s to bash drake or whatever. Though I’d be interested to know some mainstream cats you actually enjoy,

]This is just false man, I don't know how else to go about saying that. Yes, I prefer more technical skill over less, so my ear tends to drift more towards underground artists, but that doesn't mean I dislike mainstream artists because they aren't as technically proficient. I dislike artists that don't seem to put in any effort. And what catches my attention most is when I hear an artist do something that I know I could never do, hence why I praise tech so much for his skill in the flow department, I can rhyme my ass off and I have a plethora of styles, but the way that guy hears a beat and then places his syllables over it is always new and something I haven't heard before, in fact the only time I've ever caught him using the same flow twice is here and here. I don't even know where to start when it comes to that kind of thing, I can only rhyme and either spit faster or slower, I have no ability to come up with a flow that I haven't already heard so when somebody does that repeatedly they have a tendency to crawl into my favorite's list. I really don't like talking about myself that much but hopefully that gives you some perspective on where I'm coming from.

I see where you’re coming from but theres more to rap than just rapping in a really technical way which is why I said you pretty much ignore the SOUL of music, jesus Christ. I mean no offense man but you sound almost exactly like some former Led Zeppelin fanboy who thinks “Man I mastered stairway to Heaven, these guys are soooo boring. Time to move on to some technical death metal band that plays the fastest most complex riffs in existence”. I mean fuck do you even realize there’s music out there where it’s nothing but repeating the same two riffs for over an hour with little tempo change or variation, minimalism being a certain art style? Hell the fucking genre we’re talking about propping up from that specific school of thought?

no no you're right I completely bit them there, it was my first time on a beat and I had no idea what I was doing. no argument there. i'd link recent work but I doubt it'd make a difference.

Please, by all means do. I actually won’t make fun or be a dick but that comment just boggled my mind. I mean there’s being confident in your abilities and just being conceited as fuck.

Again I don't know what the difference is, I'm not trying to play any games.

So you don’t think there’s much difference between actually rapping a song and writing raps? Like that much of a difference when probably over 50 percent of what makes rap music is the actual sound? It’s like netcees that think just because they can cram their raps with multies and metaphors and punchlines that automatically makes their music more interesting than Mobb Deep or whatever. I don’t know beat into some people’s thick heads that minimalism is a valid form and yes as cliché as it sounds Less is More. I mean it’s no different from droogs who think that having a soundtrack all the time is better than something with a lot less music, or that focusing more cinematography equates to being better directed when another movie isn’t even aiming for that. & focusing more on that would just be superfluous to the overall movie, same with rap music if multies, similes, whatever don’t fit the overall mood and there’s no need than they shouldn’t fucking be in there.

hahaha that was pretty cool at 1:30 word

He does far more than just that one instance and they’re very subtle delivery switch ups which a lot of people don’t even notice cause he’s not screaming his balls off are making a scene.

what of it?

The song itself isn’t amazing or anything it’s just that he was able to steal that beat, and mimic the way it was sung and not make it sound forced or out of place at all in the mixtape.

Man all of those links feel extremely generic, particularly the 3rd link he hardly says anything there, again it's like he walks up to the mic like "alright whatever happens happens and we're gonna go with that". It makes me lose respect for the guy even more I wish I could hear what it is you're hearing because I'm not impressed in the slightest. And it's not because he isn't multi stacking or incorporating any type of cosmic flows, it's because I feel disrespected as a listener when listening to that. They feel like those leaked Em tracks that were never supposed to see the light of day.

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I get it Da Drought 3 wayne is an extreme acquired taste (far more than his preceding two projects) but if you think that’s generic, than man you’re just factually wrong? Name some rappers who rap with a similar style to this? Only ones who I can think of are oddballs like Ghostface and MF Doom in their freeassociative rhymes and non sequiters, and his style is almost what kinda birthed Danny Brown’s. What with his flippant, intonation changes, and silly similes. But he also had a certain flair to him. & that last song I already explained up there that jesus rap fans have to be the most tone deaf people who do not get mood at all. Next thing you’re gonna tell me is a My Bloody Valentine song sucks cause it’s unintelligible and indecipherable, but that’s the point when it fits the mood of the song. It gives great insight into some going through withdrawal and him rapping his ass off would be horrible, Christ. I don’t even love that song, but generic? Christ

yeah back in 2010 on his raw tour. we were myspace friends before then and he wanted to meet up when he came down so it was pretty cool to me. I haven't heard from him since 2013 though he blew up hardcore.

Well that’s good cause he’s very lame and one of the most puerile rappers I’ve ever heard. Anyone who wants something similar to SSLP Eminem should go listen to Movies for the blind instead.

[Solace]

I walk through fire watch the flames start multiplyin

damn

[mdemaz]

I like the start of the song. But then that beat...Not best production by Boi-1da tbh.
Verses was good.

>boi 1da
>best production

wut

[Mike_88]

I like the start of the song. But then that beat...Not best production by Boi-1da tbh.
Verses was good.

>boi 1da
>best production

wut

I don't kno...Just don't like it.

[mdemaz]

[Rafael]

Song was very meh

[cement]

I dont know why but i'd love to hurt chief keef, everything about him bothers me, is that even him in the gif above...whoever it is he's annoying.

Nope..not just you....and also, even though hes just a little baby boy...Bobby shmurda too

sosa got crazt shootas on deck though, killa aint to be fucked with

[Devil'sAdvocate]

I walk through fire watch the flames start multiplyin

damn